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Flame Monroe gets it if you’re B1 it means your allegiance is to the betterment of your race first. If you’re Black and homosexual you are included in B1.
Flame Monroe gets it if you’re B1 it means your allegiance is to the betterment of your race first. If you’re Black and homosexual you are included in B1.I understand. I ask because war is largely a game of illusions. We can measure something like mass incarceration so we can be certain it is there and what it's doing.
I think there is too much nuance when it comes to the gay agenda as in how do demonize it without demonizing those LGBT within your ranks? How does B1 not become B1 except if you're LGBT?
I get it. As I'm sure you can understand it gets murky if black people openly attack black LGBT who don't openly attack black people. It's hard to decipher, it's not that we don't like you because you are you but rather we do not like white people making you so visible to us. And we call it the gay agenda. You are gay but we're not talking about you specifically, just the fact that we can see you but that's not really apparent and can really be misconstrued. It's just messy, all for an agenda we don't know is actually achieving its expressed goal.Flame Monroe gets it if you’re B1 it means your allegiance is to the betterment of your race first. If you’re Black and homosexual you are included in B1.
It’s only confusing if you’re trying to straddle the fence.I get it. As I'm sure you can understand it gets murky if black people openly attack black LGBT who don't openly attack black people. It's hard to decipher, it's not that we don't like you because you are you but rather we do not like white people making you so visible to us. And we call it the gay agenda. You are gay but we're not talking about you specifically, just the fact that we can see you but that's not really apparent and can really be misconstrued. It's just messy, all for an agenda we don't know is actually achieving its expressed goal.
It's confusing and maybe that is the actual goal, but we are really just confusing ourselves, aren't we? While they don't have to do anything. Seems like to me, we could just ignore it and there would be no confusion. It appears to be a war tactic that needs the participation of both sides (Straight and LGBT) to work and if one side does not participate, it doesn't work.
I can see that, yes.It’s only confusing if you’re trying to straddle the fence.
We have no problem with our LGBT brothers and sisters as long as they follow a Black agenda. When they follow an LGBT agenda they clash with use because the LGBT agenda is a white agenda.
- If you gay but B1 then you will see life as a Black person first and you will see White supremacy attacking your community using multiple methods, one being sexual confusion.
- If you’re Black but LGBT first then you will be confused because when Black people point to the gay agenda you feel like they are pointing at you because you are LGBT first.
Are you suggesting that we stay where we are or become the oppressor? Well if that's what you mean, then yes we should become the oppressor. 😆What's the alternative, becoming the oppressor?
I would argue we want to put money in our children's packets so they can live in peace.
Fair points. Looking at it from the perspective of an abused spouse, there is a fear of not succeeding alone. There is codependence.
We are already repeating their self destructive behavior, no?I should probably clarify this part: I do not believe an oppressor class can deliver equality, but I do believe that is the only way to maintain peace. So if that is not our goal when we extract equity from the oppressor class, we will merely replicate their self-destructive behavior within our own group. In my opinion.
I see what you are saying. But who cares how it looks to others? Honestly, what does it matter? We need to have a position, and stand by it.I get it. As I'm sure you can understand it gets murky if black people openly attack black LGBT who don't openly attack black people. It's hard to decipher, it's not that we don't like you because you are you but rather we do not like white people making you so visible to us. And we call it the gay agenda. You are gay but we're not talking about you specifically, just the fact that we can see you but that's not really apparent and can really be misconstrued. It's just messy, all for an agenda we don't know is actually achieving its expressed goal.
It's confusing and maybe that is the actual goal, but we are really just confusing ourselves, aren't we? While they don't have to do anything. Seems like to me, we could just ignore it and there would be no confusion. It appears to be a war tactic that needs the participation of both sides (Straight and LGBT) to work and if one side does not participate, it doesn't work.
This can't be real. I'm in shockIt be your own people...
B1 doesn't need to know whether you're gay or not. We need to know if you're black. If you're showing up as gay, then there's a problem. We are not separating B1 people from LGBT. They need to separate themselves if they want to step with us. LGBT is an illusion. Your sexually is a personal individual reality, not a group mission. To align yourself with white lesbians because you are a black guy that likes men who dress like women is silly.I understand. I ask because war is largely a game of illusions. We can measure something like mass incarceration so we can be certain it is there and what it's doing.
I think there is too much nuance when it comes to the gay agenda as in how do demonize it without demonizing those LGBT within your ranks? How does B1 not become B1 except if you're LGBT?
The oppressor suffers with the oppressed. We just do not recognize theirs because we are rightfully, focusing on ours.Are you suggesting that we stay where we are or become the oppressor? Well if that's what you mean, then yes we should become the oppressor.
I don't think freedom is possible without peace. Are you free when you are perpetually forced to fight?Peace is nice, but we have to put in a lot of work before we get to that. If you just want peace, you can put your head in the sand and pretend that this isn't happening. I want the outright freedom to do for myself.
Yes and that's the problem. How we start our own nation will set the precedent for its entire existence so beginning with inequality inevitably means the nation's self-destructs like theirs is.We are already repeating their self destructive behavior, no?
They can't produce equality because their culture has distorted reality such that they don't even know what it looks like. We must extract equity from them in a way (Reparations) that makes them powerless over us.You say they can't give equality, then you say that's the only way to peace. So what is your opinion as far as what we need to do? What is your goal for us?
Humans are humans. We are probably in our predicament because of the Moors in Europe (not making excuses, but pointing out a pattern). Look at how the Jews went from oppressed to oppressor so easily and they don't even realize they did it. It's not a commentary on specific people, is just the pattern. If we are not conscious of how we do things, we just perpetuate the pattern so after we become the oppressor, our descendants will be oppressed.And why do you feel that we will repeat anything that they do? We are able to think and act for ourselves, right?
Of course not, but "don't ask, don't tell" isn't foolproof.B1 doesn't need to know whether you're gay or not.
How could something like get even happen? Why are they even able to separate us like that? What are we doing to give them that opening?Black LGBT being used as front men to fight B1.
This has nothing to do with Obama, unless you want to discuss his unnecessary contributions to the LGBT...Not sure how you got there. I never called black women masculine. I said it's part of the agenda. Black women are the most feminine women on the planet. Do I really need to say that???
This!B1 doesn't need to know whether you're gay or not. We need to know if you're black.
Yup! All the dudes that were afraid of gay people or hated gay people were gay themselves and running from it. This pic says it all:
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The nigga acting all disgusted in this picture (Young Buck Broken) is the one on Twitter liking Gay White Porn and messing with trannies.
Bruh I skip every Young Buck verse now. I don’t even care that he’s gay, it’s just that he’s a dumb druggie that lied about it.I can't listen to "Shorty wanna ride" anymore. It's like my kool aid turn to bitter beet juice.
They do not suffer with us, but at all. They cause they're own suffering, and we shouldn't care.The oppressor suffers with the oppressed. We just do not recognize theirs because we are rightfully, focusing on ours.
I don't think freedom is possible without peace. Are you free when you are perpetually forced to fight?
Yes and that's the problem. How we start our own nation will set the precedent for its entire existence so beginning with inequality inevitably means the nation's self-destructs like theirs is.
They can't produce equality because their culture has distorted reality such that they don't even know what it looks like. We must extract equity from them in a way (Reparations) that makes them powerless over us.
Humans are humans. We are probably in our predicament because of the Moors in Europe (not making excuses, but pointing out a pattern). Look at how the Jews went from oppressed to oppressor so easily and they don't even realize they did it. It's not a commentary on specific people, is just the pattern. If we are not conscious of how we do things, we just perpetuate the pattern so after we become the oppressor, our descendants will be oppressed.
Of course not, but "don't ask, don't tell" isn't foolproof.
How could something like get even happen? Why are they even able to separate us like that? What are we doing to give them that opening?
It's alright. There is a lot of negative stuff out here and it's best to check in with one another to make sure we're on the same page. I'm a woman BTW.I apologies for the miscommunication brother
Dang young buck is gay too?Bruh I skip every Young Buck verse now. I don’t even care that he’s gay, it’s just that he’s a dumb druggie that lied about it.
I can see that, yes.
But taking human psychology into consideration, I can even speak from personal experience, growing up black and LGBT, there is no camaraderie between straight Blacks and LGBT Blacks. In your formative years, you're just trying to dodge attacks from your straight black peers because you are different. White supremacy might be existing on a macro level, but it's a black dude spitting in your face on your level.
Of course, it would be the same if you grew up around whites so likewise if you grew up around Blacks, you would only see black people attacking you. This is before you even develop the awareness of white supremacy. You don't have the capacity to even think about it. That leaves an impression on people, it can't not.
I fell into depression in my tweens off the catalyst of straight black people. I did not know many whites but the ones I did know were nicer to me than my black peers. I was depressed for 2 decades and fundamentally believed black people HATED me. I didn't even know white supremacy existed until my late twenties, early thirties because I had already trapped myself, believing what black tweens told me about myself decades ago.
What you say makes sense, but real life experience is not that simple. I know straight people understand growing up different, but not LGBT different. You've never had to worry about defending your humanity to white people AND black people.. It's a different world, a different headspace that colors all of reality from a very young age for many.
They do not suffer with us, but at all. They cause they're own suffering
Agree to disagree.Freedom is not peace.
Agreed. Black people as a group are not oppressing anyone. I didn't mean to convey the idea that I thought we were.We are not oppressing anyone. I don't get what you mean.
As far as their rule, it's already over. It's "in the cards". There's nothing they can do about it. We're watching a dying dragon flail. Of course, a dying dragon is still quite dangerous so we need to keep our wits, but it's a done deal. There literally undermining themselves at this point.Why are you thinking about oppressing them before we can even get from under their oppression.
This is why I mention the role reversal. This is what they were thinking when they were building white supremacy.Equality is not my mission. I'm not on a path of equality. I want power.
Oppressors must thoroughly convince themselves they are not oppressing (self-defense, I'm the victim) in order to oppress because it isn't in the true nature of the beings we are.The Jewish absolutely know that they are the oppressor. Why do you think they don't know that?
Why are we not on code? I would not say I am CONCERNED about becoming the oppressor. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. If not, it won't. These things are already written, is what I'm saying. I suppose I'm thinking about because I'm a writer trying to write ahead of the curve.They're able to separate us because we're not on code. For instance, you're concerned about becoming the oppressor rather than escaping oppression.
The survival instinct is what creates oppression. We have a survival instinct. White supremacy is a defense mechanism, a product of their survival instinct that grew until it became a monster. Defense mechanisms perpetuate the problem they were created to defend against so it was only a matter of time before white supremacy became untenable.We don't have an oppressive nature as a group
Uncontested.Black people bully other black people. That happens. Gay people get bullied, most people are bullied to some extend.
I was talking about when I was a teenager. I'm 40 now with much more insight into why people act the way they do.White people are kind to you because you don't represent them, and they want to undermine black people and fulfill your desire to be liked. That's a part of white supremacy. They have you feeling like they are nicer than black people, black people who are fighting for your right to live and be free. They're not. They just fake nice.
You're Blackness is not about the relationship you had with other black teenagers. Your Blackness is dependent on who you are and how you feel about yourself as a black man.
They don't have to know for sure as long as you are different. But ultimately, it's never really about what's happening on the outside. Growing up gay in my time in itself, made me depressed. And never having seen another openly gay black male (or female) for a good while after I realized I was, I literally thought only white people could be gay. But there I was, the only gay black male on earth, a straight up alien.how did any tweens know that you were gay?
You just have to accept that you’re LGBT first and want Black first people to ignore the attack on our sexuality to make sure you feel comfortable in Black first spaces as an LGBT first person.My personal experience is why I question the efficacy of the gay agenda. I had never even seen another gay black person, yet I was gay. I don't think sexuality works the way a lot of people think. The gay agenda appears to be an illusion to me. We are convincing ourselves that they can do something they actually can't. Heck, maybe they think they can do it too, I have no doubt they'd like to be able to. But, I think giving it any credence is ultimately, a waste of our energy that needlessly fractures us.
You are on here dropping straight gems.White people are kind to you because you don't represent them, and they want to undermine black people and fulfill your desire to be liked. That's a part of white supremacy. They have you feeling like they are nicer than black people, black people who are fighting for your right to live and be free. They're not. They just fake nice.
Uncontested.
I was talking about when I was a teenager. I'm 40 now with much more insight into why people act the way they do.
I know it is hard to believe, but white people are guilt ridden as part of their suffering that they brought on themselves. People have to thoroughly convinced themselves they are not oppressors to oppress, but it can't be done completely. Especially if the people you are oppressing are making noise about it all the time.
The guilt must be offloaded because it is too damaging to bear so their niceness is a way to offload guilt, so is there overt racism. The human mind can get very complicated.
They don't have to know for sure as long as you are different. But ultimately, it's never really about what's happening on the outside. Growing up gay in my time in itself, made me depressed. And never having seen another openly gay black male (or female) for a good while after I realized I was, I literally thought only white people could be gay. But there I was, the only gay black male on earth, a straight up alien.
My personal experience is why I question the efficacy of the gay agenda. I had never even seen another gay black person, yet I was gay. I don't think sexuality works the way a lot of people think. The gay agenda appears to be an illusion to me. We are convincing ourselves that they can do something they actually can't. Heck, maybe they think they can do it too, I have no doubt they'd like to be able to. But, I think giving it any credence is ultimately, a waste of our energy that needlessly fractures us.
I totally accept your opinion.You just have to accept that you’re LGBT first and want Black first people to ignore the attack on our sexuality to make sure you feel comfortable in Black first spaces as an LGBT first person.
No thanks.
I’m not going back and forth with you either.
We have to go at each other’s necks at this point. If you’re Black without a Black Agenda we need you out of the picture.I think a lot of the gay agenda stuff has valid reasonings, but I don't like how the end result as always is black folk going at other black folks neck.
Thanks for your reply.Uncontested.
I was talking about when I was a teenager. I'm 40 now with much more insight into why people act the way they do.
I know it is hard to believe, but white people are guilt ridden as part of their suffering that they brought on themselves. People have to thoroughly convinced themselves they are not oppressors to oppress, but it can't be done completely. Especially if the people you are oppressing are making noise about it all the time.
The guilt must be offloaded because it is too damaging to bear so their niceness is a way to offload guilt, so is there overt racism. The human mind can get very complicated.
They don't have to know for sure as long as you are different. But ultimately, it's never really about what's happening on the outside. Growing up gay in my time in itself, made me depressed. And never having seen another openly gay black male (or female) for a good while after I realized I was, I literally thought only white people could be gay. But there I was, the only gay black male on earth, a straight up alien.
My personal experience is why I question the efficacy of the gay agenda. I had never even seen another gay black person, yet I was gay. I don't think sexuality works the way a lot of people think. The gay agenda appears to be an illusion to me. We are convincing ourselves that they can do something they actually can't. Heck, maybe they think they can do it too, I have no doubt they'd like to be able to. But, I think giving it any credence is ultimately, a waste of our energy that needlessly fractures us.
I'm not really sure what his point is. Black people = bad, white people= good ????You just have to accept that you’re LGBT first and want Black first people to ignore the attack on our sexuality to make sure you feel comfortable in Black first spaces as an LGBT first person.
No thanks.
I’m not going back and forth with you either.
Your behavior makes a lot more sense now that I know you are LGBT. You are using European thinking and fighting styles. You want to bend and shape things differently than what they are.I totally accept your opinion.
Why do you believe that is possible? You know people who changed their sexuality so white people would be nice to them?But the agenda is about making homosexuality a black thing. It's about taking confused and weak black people and telling then that being gay is an option for them, and like you said, white people will be nice to you when you're gay, and black people will hate you. You are perpetuating this.
I believe we had a breakdown in communication somewhere. I shared my past. I misspoke if I came across as harboring anger towards you or black people in general, today. It wasn't my intention. I meant to draw a picture that could hopefully be used to foster understanding between black straights and black LGBT's.But you have misguided anger towards people who are your reflection
I am not sure what you don't understand about what I said. People want black people to focus and accept homosexuality when we don't have to do either. It's as simple as that.Why do you believe that is possible? You know people who changed their sexuality so white people would be nice to them?
I believe we had a breakdown in communication somewhere. I shared my past. I misspoke if I came across as harboring anger towards you or black people in general, today. It wasn't my intention. I meant to draw a picture that could hopefully be used to foster understanding between black straights and black LGBT's.
I had a conversation with another person on the homosexuals struggle vs. the black struggle. It came to me pointing out the structural (not content) equivalences, which he had expected I would do. It turned out to be a simple misunderstanding. Given a glass of water, I was pointing to the glass and not the water inside.@Czharcus did you have any male role model growing up (6 - 12 years old)? If positive how did they treat you?
The survival instinct does not create oppression. That's a European mindset. Now the inferiority complex will cause people to oppress.Agree to disagree.
Agreed. Black people as a group are not oppressing anyone. I didn't mean to convey the idea that I thought we were.
As far as their rule, it's already over. It's "in the cards". There's nothing they can do about it. We're watching a dying dragon flail. Of course, a dying dragon is still quite dangerous so we need to keep our wits, but it's a done deal. There literally undermining themselves at this point.
I think the Roman Empire took like a decade to stop flailing. I'm just taking into the future in the meantime, not really concerned because what's going to happen is gonna happen and I can't really do anything about it.
This is why I mention the role reversal. This is what they were thinking when they were building white supremacy.
Oppressors must thoroughly convince themselves they are not oppressing (self-defense, I'm the victim) in order to oppress because it isn't in the true nature of the beings we are.
Why are we not on code? I would not say I am CONCERNED about becoming the oppressor. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. If not, it won't. These things are already written, is what I'm saying. I suppose I'm thinking about because I'm a writer trying to write ahead of the curve.
The survival instinct is what creates oppression. We have a survival instinct. White supremacy is a defense mechanism, a product of their survival instinct that grew until it became a monster. Defense mechanisms perpetuate the problem they were created to defend against so it was only a matter of time before white supremacy became untenable.
(I'm a student of the mind, if that wasn't clear lol)
Yes, I'd like to understand what happened to you, if you're willing to share.It is to give a reason for why I could have been depressed or why I could be homosexual?
I see this all the time. I talk very proper and have a strong vocabulary so White people think I’m a safe negro but once they get passed the superficial they see that I’m a Malcolm X type nigga and that niceness stops quickly. It’s not all white people but I remember when I became a mason, I was super accepted and loved until I someone said something racist and I checked their asses and made them back down and then I was looked at in a new light. They realized the let a radical negro in their club.you have misguided anger towards people who are your reflection, and you have a passive attitude about the very people who only like you when you are weak and depressed. Try being B1, they won't be nice, I promise you that.
The lodge you go to, is it majority white or mixed?I see this all the time. I talk very proper and have a strong vocabulary so White people think I’m a safe negro but once they get passed the superficial they see that I’m a Malcolm X type nigga and that niceness stops quickly. It’s not all white people but I remember when I became a mason, I was super accepted and loved until I someone said something racist and I checked their asses and made them back down and then I was looked at in a new light. They realized the let a radical negro in their club.
@Czharcus you did say that though. You should take your L instead of trying to make a mystical explanation as to why you came on a Black site to say Blacks = meanies and Whites = nice. Did the same commercial that led me here lead you here? Just asking.don't think there was a miscommunication, you said that white people were nice to you, and black people were your attackers. That's very straight forward.
Whiter than a glass of milk.The lodge you go to, is it majority white or mixed?
Hmm interesting, must be awkward.Whiter than a glass of milk.
I have been taught by my spirituality to question everything. Virtually all of the ideas we (all humans) hold as settled facts aren't actually based on anything other than other ideas that aren't based on anything. At a certain point, we just collectively agree regardless and that's fine. This is just our nature. It helps us navigate and survive the world.Your behavior makes a lot more sense now that I know you are LGBT. You are using European thinking and fighting styles. You want to bend and shape things differently than what they are.
Black/ Africans are very direct in our nature. You are not. You are on this European exploration journey and you have been taught to question and try to disrupt facts with jargon and so called "opinions". This is white behavior. They teach their kids that everyone has an opinion and everyone's opinions matter (as long as they support white supremacy). But this is not true. You're fighting yourself. I'm saying this with love, not blame or anger.
You have got to find your masculinity and move with power and strength, most time in silence. I can't tell you how to be a man, I can only imagine that being a black man is hard, but it shouldn't be so confusing in my opinion. We are a strong people, men and women alike. I can tell you sit around with white people, that think they are intelligent because they question things that have already been answered. This is not intelligence, this is silliness and a waste of time. White people think they are scientists and everyone around them is an experiment to be examined and taken apart so they can put it back together to fit their needs and agendas. Do not be their pawn, do not be their tester. I hope you know that this is my opinion and not an attack. I've enjoyed our respectful conversations.
It wasnt for me because I'm not afraid of confrontation. If you a scary ass nigga that's hearing stuff that makes you uncomfortable and you dont speak up then yes you would feel uncomfortable.Hmm interesting, must be awkward.
I do not believe I misunderstood what you said. I do not contest people want black people to focus on and accept homosexuality.I am not sure what you don't understand about what I said. People want black people to focus and accept homosexuality when we don't have to do either. It's as simple as that.
I don't think there was a miscommunication, you said that white people were nice to you, and black people were your attackers. That's very straight forward.
If I think you're going to kill me, I'm going to try to kill you 1st. That is the survival instinct in an extreme form. If you have a group and can't kill all the people you think are trying to kill you, you make sure they never have the power to, you oppress them. The inferiority complex is also often present, agreed.The survival instinct does not create oppression. That's a European mindset. Now the inferiority complex will cause people to oppress.
Nowhere is that written, yes, and I'm not saying it will definitely happen. I'm not saying I want white people to be protected. I want us to be protected. I'm just looking at psychological patterns and such.No where is it written that black people will oppress someone because we were oppressed. You seem like to want white people to be safe from the natural order of things, meaning retaliation.
I don't feel you are describing oppression.If I think you're going to kill me, I'm going to try to kill you 1st. That is the survival instinct in an extreme form. If you have a group and can't kill all the people you think are trying to kill you, you make sure they never have the power to, you oppress them. The inferiority complex is also often present, agreed.
Nowhere is that written, yes, and I'm not saying it will definitely happen. I'm not saying I want white people to be protected. I want us to be protected. I'm just looking at psychological patterns and such.
White people are suffering as a result of oppressing us. Their collective behavior is self-destructive. The suffering of oppression goes both ways. Not all of it looks the same or is apparent. The universe is just at all times.
Right B1@Czharcus you did say that though. You should take your L instead of trying to make a mystical explanation as to why you came on a Black site to say Blacks = meanies and Whites = nice. Did the same commercial that led me here lead you here? Just asking.
He pitches AND catches it Sis. So no I can't listen to shorty wanna ride the same if at all anymore.Dang young buck is gay too?
Before my stroke I was the same way. The safe negro. But when you keep getting kicked in the head by a people that even the sun hates it is time to wake TF up.I see this all the time. I talk very proper and have a strong vocabulary so White people think I’m a safe negro but once they get passed the superficial they see that I’m a Malcolm X type nigga and that niceness stops quickly. It’s not all white people but I remember when I became a mason, I was super accepted and loved until I someone said something racist and I checked their asses and made them back down and then I was looked at in a new light. They realized the let a radical negro in their club.
Out Phucking Standing my Sista. Your wording and delivery is hard hitting and to the core.They do not suffer with us, but at all. They cause they're own suffering, and we shouldn't care.
Freedom is not peace. You have to gain freedom before you can talk about peace. I want peace for B1, not for everyone. That's not my mission.
We are not oppressing anyone. I don't get what you mean. We are not like them in that regard. Why are you thinking about oppressing them before we can even get from under their oppression. That shouldn't be a concern at this time. And black people aren't oppressing anyone. Our problem is that we will probably crawl back under their oppression.
Reparations sounds nice, but we can't get that from people before we begin to do for ourselves. And you don't necessarily want to strike a deal with the devil. All money isn't good money. And that won't make us equal. Equality is not my mission. I'm not on a path of equality. I want power. And we don't need then to get it. A nation is in the minds and hearts of the people, it's not a land mass.
The Jewish absolutely know that they are the oppressor. Why do you think they don't know that? Those are white supremacist Jews. They are not Hebrews or Semitic.
Don't ask don't tell has nothing to do with it. What I'm saying is that you need to be black 1st. The way you dress is your business. We need to stop identifying people based on the way they dress and identify whether they are black are not. It doesn't matter if we can talk that you're gay. It matters that we can tell that you're B1.
They're able to separate us because we're not on code. For instance, you're concerned about becoming the oppressor rather than escaping oppression. Doing for ourselves naturally mean that we aren't oppressing anyone. We don't have an oppressive nature as a group. If we did, we'd be oppressing.
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