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Dr. Umar On The Breakfast Club 12-9-22
Listening to it with wifey right now. Gotta say despite slight disagreements brother was on point and on code. He shutdown a lot of misconceptions. On the topic of addressing coons he was spot on.Dr. Umar always brings his A game when he's on The Breakfast Club.
Listen to this earlier this morning. He does Does show what a good mouth piece can do.
His reparations talk is complete fantasy but the way he says it gets people excited.
His reparations talk is complete fantasy but the way he says it gets people excited.
The substance of what he said is in line with Powernomics. We should own and control everything we have contributed to this society.
This brother showed up as his best self in my opinion. Fire interview. Proud of this interview.
We should not give celebrities a pass.
We should not give celebrities a pass.
Pretty good interview. I don't always agree with Dr. Umar, but I respect where he's coming from.
The interview was about to get heated. Neither side was backing down.
The interview was about to get heated. Neither side was backing down.
??? I mean, that could be said about him, Marcel, the reparations taskforce. what's not fantasy to you?
i thoroughly enjoyed the interview. Dr. Umar was loud and wrong about Deion though. Everything else, I respect his viewpoint. It was a palette cleanser from the awful interview they did with the CEO of the ADL.
Getting ports is fantasy. That's how the country makes its money. They would kill us all before giving us that.
A couple dollars and free school is the most we can probably hope for.
A couple of dollars and free school is not reparations.
But you're right, fighting for true reparations would be a violent endeavor.
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I always, always, always hit black Republicans with this. If you notice, both the Dems and GOP talk jobs, jobs, jobs.
I always, always, always ask white and black conservatives and white liberals this. Sicilians, Chinese, Jews, Koreans faced discrimination at one point, yes or no? Obviously a yes.
What has worked for them is to set up their own parallel economy that has given America, Chinatowns all over country. Little Italies in NY, Philly, Chicago, Boston (north End). Koreatown in LA. Jewish enclaves in Brooklyn, west LA, etc.
So, since this has been proven to help a discriminated group out of poverty then why isn't that pushed as the formula for Blacks? Those areas have THEIR OWN BUSINESSES. It wasn't jobs that got them out but their own businesses and economy.
But with Blacks is you are 'self segregating', And these other groups didn't in order to get out? Wasn't the most successful black areas: Tulsa, Durham, Rosewood, the same as the Chinatowns, Little Italies? So, it worked for Blacks before and the only difference is if its done these days you can't go in and bomb them out.
Why isn't this being pushed I ask them and they don't want to answer it. Also, these other groups were left alone to prosper. Black areas were targeted. Black conservatives like Larry Elder know this and the truth is he wants us to fail. He hates us. So does Thomas Sowell. Their only way they want Blacks is to be like them and they believe the way to survival is to bootlick, accept white supremacy in full and that whites will let us be out of poverty if we accept full 2nd class citizenship gladly. That's the truth of it all. We must give up our identity and adopt theirs just like how ethnic Greeks, Slavs, Sicilians, etc, gave up their identity generations later and adopted full white anglo saxon culture.
As for Dr. Umar, even Tariq has said he's the best speaker and those two aren't sending xmas cards to each other.
As an aside, what I would like to see EVERY HBCU do is set up a parallel primary or HS next to it. Next to the larger mosques and synagogues are their own primary schools. They make sure their kids have a solid foundation in their culture so they will be more loyal to it than America.
We should be doing the same with a HS or primary school. The students majoring in education can be the assistant teachers and get state certification by the time time they graduate.
It wouldn't take much. Make it black kids only and take kids from the surrounding community. The most disenfranchised. Give them structure. And I would make sure that there are plenty of BLACK MEN teaching. 80% of these kids grow up with no father in the home or any responsible black male. Give them that early on so the boys will want to be like him and the girls will want to marry someone like him. We also get rid of a lot of future Pookies and Ray Rays.
Give tuition discounts if you teach in that school. If you are majoring in math or business, teach math. If you are majoring in pretty much anything you can teach 2nd graders really. But push for the education majors.
I think his ego can be a problem at times. King Kong Consciousness does not seem to allow for challenges to his point of view or persons with equally persuasive arguments. This is the root of all this tribalism that keeps black people divided everywhere are. White supremacy uses this against us with such devastating effect.
Normally I would agree but I feel this was one of his best interviews because he did not make it about his ego. He had concrete facts to present when it came to his school. When it came to reparations and getting what's owed to us as well as with the Deion conversation Umar was spot on!!
I plan to complete watching the interview. I struggle with the breakfast club...I find Charlemagne's occasional 👞👅 offensive. Watching him diss Dr. Welsing in front of some white boy for a pat on the head was absolutely
painful for me.
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Can be? lol...its the reason. Self titled 'Prince of Pan-Africanism' unfortunately puts his ego ahead of the work.
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That’s basically a problem with 99% of the biggest influencers in the new black media if we keeping it real. But it shouldn’t deter the Black community if we are having a true awakening and not simply trading pastors for YouTube personalities.
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Why is the HBCU such a sacred cow? People really get offended if you criticize the HBCU's, and its usually the same people who think the NAACP works for Black people.
Great point and when CTG’s bitch ass asked Umar if he donated I was confused. Like didn’t this nigga day he was making his own schools?
Great ideas! Real Black communities buying from our own, producing products and supporting one another would allow us to also sponsor our own future lawyers and doctors.
No disrespect, but what do you mean by tribalism? We’re too individualistic to be tribal! That’s the problem. Only tribes look out for themselves like other ethnic groups do.
CTG was low key caring for white supremacy throughout the whole interview. It was nice to see Umar staying in code.
Side note, Angela Yee makes herself scarce when Dr. Umar is being interviewed. Not sure whats up with that, it smells funny.
She is no longer on the show. She left to pursue her own show but your point stands. She is never in serious conversations.
Standing applause at this whole post but the red is absolute facts. It's why I don't take issue with Umar is saying because we need to rebuild our communities and cash isn't going to be the end all be all to getting that accomplished. We need a comprehensive program that helps us rebuild our communities via grants, free land, free education, IN ADDITION to cash payments to help turn this ship around. Do I think it's impossible without reparations? No. But the bum, clown, degenerate contingent in our society will have to get on code and that is a huge ask.
That part I should have clarified. Thanks for catching that.
Umar's argument that we have deep psychological trauma that needs to be addressed is on point. Many of us still think like slaves so the simple act of NOT supporting Asian businesses and supporting our own seems impossible at the moment. We, therefore have to get the money now while putting in place strategic training to essentially " rewire" our thinking. We can not give them any reason to delay. Imagine if he ( Umar) and other members of the new black media ( Tariq Nasheed) were all on the same page. Thus my original point about ego. Another slave mentality issue that divides us. It happened with Martin and Malcolm. Both were assassinated exhibiting a clear example of white supremacies focused agenda when it comes to us.
How can we make sound decisions if we cannot question one another? If the cash is the right answer then its proponents should be able to easy show the error in his argument. At the end of the day we all have the same goal which is being repaired but some are saying CASH and others are saying CASH AND PROGRAMS. The best ideas need to rise to the top. We can't keep on this pastor treadmill that we have been on. We need to be able to hear everyone and determine the merits in their arguments. If we put the pressure on the establishment and we could can get cash or cash + programs why not get the cash + programs? We need to be fully rebuilt and it needs to be a New Deal type of plan we ask for.
We have to get away from the either or mentality. True power is having options. Both arguments have merit. One would spend large amounts to create institutions but on th other hand the government owes us a repair in the area of institutions as well as ownership of created material. We need both but either way we have to be ready to move in earnest whichever way the cookie crumbles.
What you do with your reparations. I argue you should work toward that goal now so when reparations drop you already have multiple coals in the fire. Then it will be a tool to further your already established endeavors.
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Logically, if we get to the point where reparations are in deep discussions with white folks, we are majority on code. There aren't enough of us on code right now but its growing fairly fast. You'll know when athletes and entertainers start demanding it just like athletes and entertainers started vocally demanding civil and voting rights in the late 50s into the 60s.
My guess is that with that being the prevailing sentiment, we will start seeing more super wealthy blacks, worth tens of millions or more doing what super rich whites like Koch, Adelson, etc. are doing. Meaning, putting a lot of money in to the culture.
We don't have any. The blacks worth over 100 million dollars aren't doing that. Whites have a lot of them on the far right. Some you have never heard of because that's how they want it to be. Our super wealthy drop big money on 'safe' projects. Oprah and the richest black person in America, Robert Smith dropped roughly 20 mil on the Afro American museum. Bill Cosby left millions for HBCUs. Those are worthy things to do but they are 'safe'. White folks won't get upset about that. The black super rich gave Obama's campaign tens of thousands. The black super rich donate regularly to black and white Democratic candidates in the 1000s or more. Building a school for black girls in south Africa is not going to upset white people.
Giving Umar 3 or 4 million to get his school going right would be too controversial. Giving 000000.net a few million to make it the go to black space to fight white supremacy is too controversial. Funding movies by Tariq, TBA is too controversial.
Here is the cold part. The money for the too controversial stuff is a drop in the bucket compared to the white acceptable stuff.
My guess is that with that being the prevailing sentiment, we will start seeing more super wealthy blacks, worth tens of millions or more doing what super rich whites like Koch, Adelson, etc. are doing. Meaning, putting a lot of money in to the culture.
We don't have any. The blacks worth over 100 million dollars aren't doing that. Whites have a lot of them on the far right. Some you have never heard of because that's how they want it to be. Our super wealthy drop big money on 'safe' projects. Oprah and the richest black person in America, Robert Smith dropped roughly 20 mil on the Afro American museum. Bill Cosby left millions for HBCUs. Those are worthy things to do but they are 'safe'. White folks won't get upset about that. The black super rich gave Obama's campaign tens of thousands. The black super rich donate regularly to black and white Democratic candidates in the 1000s or more. Building a school for black girls in south Africa is not going to upset white people.
Giving Umar 3 or 4 million to get his school going right would be too controversial. Giving 000000.net a few million to make it the go to black space to fight white supremacy is too controversial. Funding movies by Tariq, TBA is too controversial.
Here is the cold part. The money for the too controversial stuff is a drop in the bucket compared to the white acceptable stuff.
The " questioning" is happening...this is it. This dialog. Iron sharpens Iron. We are hearing one another, though it sometimes sounds like noise. Umar's point on music management for example is an excellent one. It is my prayer that the ancestors will allow this dialog to keep going to a crescendo that brings the best solution needed to repair the damaged and broken "us". Be reminded, however, considering our great history and the capacity of the big black brain. White supremacy has no intention to facilitate our recovery. I hope that these discussions will galvanize us to a codified reality like that exhibited by the Chinese. When that happens the money for the not-acceptable stuff will begin to materialize. The destruction of Bill Cosby and more recently Ye is why the super-rich is afraid. In the words of the late Nipsy Hussle, this is a marathon, not a sprint. So I stay in my child's ear and the grandchild is always the discussion.
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Dr. Umar's heart is in the right place. There were always divergent camps in the fight for justice and equality for us: DuBois v Garvey; Malcolm X v MLJ Jr, Jesse Jackson Jr v Farrakhan in Chicago to some extent.
Dr. Umar has a different vision. In his world, Pan Africanism as it is now, wouldn't change on our side. That's one different view as an example. Monogamy would likely be allowed as well which may not be a bad thing to some of y'all brothers quietly. haha
Dr. Umar has a different vision. In his world, Pan Africanism as it is now, wouldn't change on our side. That's one different view as an example. Monogamy would likely be allowed as well which may not be a bad thing to some of y'all brothers quietly. haha
I definitely agree that it will take more because reparations only deals with a few of the crimes. It deals with the labor and discrimination but it doesn't deal with the psychological damage or the attack against our humanity in the way that Jews are compensated each year for the crimes against theirs. However it is something that we should definitely fight for and I don't agree with what he said previously about us being "mentally ill" as a reason why we shouldn't get them because that hasn't been a factor.Dr. Umar always brings his A game when he's on The Breakfast Club.
I agree, Umar's heart is in the right place and it isn't unusual to have a different opinion but I think where people miss the point is that both were actively trying to improve the lives of their people. I have a problem with how WS tried to categorize Booker T Washington and DuBois as a "beef" when he was present when they established the NAACP. Even MLK and Malcom X had come to see eye to eye on many issues but the media plays on comments made when they were still young but doesn't talk about their reconciliation and the evidence is found in MLK's speech "Coming over the mountaintop" where his message to our people was very similar to what Malcolm X had been preaching all along but white academia doesn't show us that. That's because they would rather divide us by the 5% of our differences when the 95% should keep us together.