The Cookout

Czharcus · 10/26/21

… is a popular phrase in our community, but it's not really possible, it's self-destructive (and destructive to the community by extension) and you don't ACTUALLY want to do it.

Emotions cannot be controlled, only accepted or ignored. Ignored emotions are just gonna come back more powerful and/or show up in all types of seemingly unrelated, and certainly destructive ways. Accepted, loved and un-judged emotions will dissipate and reveal a lesson if you are open to it.

The problem isn't emotions, but rather how we habitually interpret them. Emotions ARE NOT a commentary on life, a situation or how someone treats us. They are a natural gift from Source, a barometer/compass that tells us in real time if our thinking aligns with the ultimate Truth of ourselves as God/Source/the Universe sees us.

Very basically, if you feel "bad" (emotionally) in any way at any time, your thinking about yourself is out of alignment with Truth. If you feel "good" (emotionally) in any way at any time, your thinking about yourself is in alignment with Truth.

This can get confusing like when say, someone insults you and you get angry. You get the "bad" emotion because there is, at least, the smallest grain of sand part of you that believes what they said is true. But Source knows that it is not so you get a little jolt (or big jolt, depending upon how much of you agrees). That is your cue to turn inwards, find and give love to that part of you which needs it.

God Universe fitted us with a perfect connection to him/her/it and to "get out of it" is like saying, sever your natural unbroken connection to your maker. Impossible and you actually don't want to do it.

Jay · 10/26/21

I don't agree, as someone who has been in the military and has been boxing for close to 7 years, I've HAD to learn how to control my emotions to be able to function in situations that would typically trigger a fight or flight response in others.

Emotions cause us to take action but unchecked emotion can either put you in a paralysis or cause you to take the wrong action. In order to manage this, we are given a logical function which we use to guide and control our emotions.

We do this all the time in combat/fighting situations because when your adrenaline spikes your body's automation takes over and it starts focusing EXCLUSIVELY on the thing that is threatening your safety...you get tunnel vision, your hearing is muffled, things slow down, and basically you go into a stasis...that fear overwhelms you and makes you less effective.

When you learn to control that fear response you're able to operate more effectively in dangerous environments. When a shot goes off most people have that fight or flight response but when in the military you train to stay calm in that situation...you need to be able to figure out where the fire is coming from, you need to find cover, you need to see where the rest of your fire team is, and be able to return fire. You cannot do this if you are unable to control your emotions, you will seize up. @jasonrest correct me if you disagree. I was never in combat but my military training made perfect sense when I started boxing.

Now there are inappropriate times to say "get out of your emotions" but sometimes being caught in your emotions puts you in danger. My son and I were hiking and he got really afraid on a tough decent and instead of listening to the logical advice I gave him about putting his weight back, keeping his foot positioned sideways, and looking for solid ground to step on...he froze and started to tear up and cry. His fear caused him to not follow my advice, which caused him to slide more, and it became a cycle that put him in a stasis.

I told him he needed to man up and follow the LOGICAL steps I gave him because being governed completely by his emotions at the time WAS OF LITTLE VALUE. You use the fear to inform you of the gravity of the situation but you control it so that it doesn't stop you from taking your next step.

My $0.02.

Lamont · 10/26/21

Czharcus said:
… is a popular phrase in our community, but it's not really possible, it's self-destructive (and destructive to the community by extension) and you don't ACTUALLY want to do it.

Emotions cannot be controlled, only accepted or ignored. Ignored emotions are just gonna come back more powerful and/or show up in all types of seemingly unrelated, and certainly destructive ways. Accepted, loved and un-judged emotions will dissipate and reveal a lesson if you are open to it.

The problem isn't emotions, but rather how we habitually interpret them. Emotions ARE NOT a commentary on life, a situation or how someone treats us. They are a natural gift from Source, a barometer/compass that tells us in real time if our thinking aligns with the ultimate Truth of ourselves as God/Source/the Universe sees us.

Very basically, if you feel "bad" (emotionally) in any way at any time, your thinking about yourself is out of alignment with Truth. If you feel "good" (emotionally) in any way at any time, your thinking about yourself is in alignment with Truth.

This can get confusing like when say, someone insults you and you get angry. You get the "bad" emotion because there is, at least, the smallest grain of sand part of you that believes what they said is true. But Source knows that it is not so you get a little jolt (or big jolt, depending upon how much of you agrees). That is your cue to turn inwards, find and give love to that part of you which needs it.

God Universe fitted us with a perfect connection to him/her/it and to "get out of it" is like saying, sever your natural unbroken connection to your maker. Impossible and you actually don't want to do it.

I cannot get jiggy with this train of thought as it will prove fatal for a Black man in the wrong circumstance. Let's say the race soldiers pull over a young brother and disrespect him for no reason, right? The young brother is going to be upset, angry, frustrated, hurt, and rightfully so but what happens if he acts upon those emotions? He'll make the situation worse and give the race soldiers the cover they need to murder him.

So what advice should we give to the young brother if he ever finds himself in this predicament? Should we tell him NOT to control his emotions? Should we tell him him to pretend as if his emotions do not exist? Or should we tell him to accept his emotions and whatever response those emotions evoke?

That to me is why this frame of thought is destructive as it removes the individual the right to their agency. I would tell the younger brother that his anger is justified but he MUST CONTROL to make it through the traffic stop with his life. That is practical advice that we as Black men need to follow in order to make it out of these situations with our lives.

One of the biggest gripes with Beta Black males is that they don't regulate their emotions, they lash out and do irrational things because they do not regulate their emotion with their logic.

This would provoke a great discussion but you wrote it dogmatically rather than from a discussion oriented frame of thought.

jasonrest · 10/26/21

Jay said:
I don't agree, as someone who has been in the military and has been boxing for close to 7 years, I've HAD to learn how to control my emotions to be able to function in situations that would typically trigger a fight or flight response in others.

Emotions cause us to take action but unchecked emotion can either put you in a paralysis or cause you to take the wrong action. In order to manage this, we are given a logical function which we use to guide and control our emotions.

We do this all the time in combat/fighting situations because when your adrenaline spikes your body's automation takes over and it starts focusing EXCLUSIVELY on the thing that is threatening your safety...you get tunnel vision, your hearing is muffled, things slow down, and basically you go into a stasis...that fear overwhelms you and makes you less effective.

When you learn to control that fear response you're able to operate more effectively in dangerous environments. When a shot goes off most people have that fight or flight response but when in the military you train to stay calm in that situation...you need to be able to figure out where the fire is coming from, you need to find cover, you need to see where the rest of your fire team is, and be able to return fire. You cannot do this if you are unable to control your emotions, you will seize up. @jasonrest correct me if you disagree. I was never in combat but my military training made perfect sense when I started boxing.

Now there are inappropriate times to say "get out of your emotions" but sometimes being caught in your emotions puts you in danger. My son and I were hiking and he got really afraid on a tough decent and instead of listening to the logical advice I gave him about putting his weight back, keeping his foot positioned sideways, and looking for solid ground to step on...he froze and started to tear up and cry. His fear caused him to not follow my advice, which caused him to slide more, and it became a cycle that put him in a stasis.

I told him he needed to man up and follow the LOGICAL steps I gave him because being governed completely by his emotions at the time WAS OF LITTLE VALUE. You use the fear to inform you of the gravity of the situation but you control it so that it doesn't stop you from taking your next step.

My $0.02

I dont want to be in a foxhole with someone "exploring their emotions" while I'm getting shot at.

this may be the toxic masculinity talking.
but I dont have time for emotions.
too busy getting shit done.

the milk spills.
i dont cry about it.
i clean it up so i can go do other shit.

emotion and logic stand opposed.
I choose logic everytime and leave emotion for the women. (and thats not an insult, thats their strongsuit and its needed)

Jay · 10/26/21

jasonrest said:
I dont want to be in a foxhole with someone "exploring their emotions" while I'm getting shot at.

this may be the toxic masculinity talking.
but I dont have time for emotions.
too busy getting ish done.

the milk spills.
i dont cry about it.
i clean it up so i can go do other ish.

emotion and logic stand opposed.
I choose logic everytime and leave emotion for the women. (and thats not an insult, thats their strongsuit and its needed)

Now I don't fully agree but I also haven't been in the same situations as you. I love emotion, it's an important tool but it has a time and a place. Sometimes you don't have time to figure out how you feel until AFTER you take action.

We had a crazy earthquake last month and I didn't know I was shaken up until 5 minutes AFTER the earthquake was over.

Right when the ground shook I ran immediately to my son's room to grab him and then jumped under a table. Once it was all said and done I was able to relax, clear my mind, and I saw how shaken I was.

My son was like "I was so scared dad, that was crazy" and at that point it was clear, shit, I was afraid too. He couldn't see it, all he saw was his Dad spring into action and get us both to safety but I told him "it's ok to be afraid that's the only way you can be brave because brave people take action despite being afraid".

But to connect this back...emotion helps me take action. Anger lets me know something needs to change, sadness let's me know something is out of alignment, depression let's me know I'm off-track...it's all important to overall health.

jasonrest · 10/26/21

Jay said:
Now I don't fully agree but I also haven't been in the same situations as you. I love emotion, it's an important tool but it has a time and a place. Sometimes you don't have time to figure out how you feel until AFTER you take action.

We had a crazy earthquake last month and I didn't know I was shaken up until 5 minutes AFTER the earthquake was over.

Right when the ground shook I ran immediately to my son's room to grab him and then jumped under a table. Once it was all said and done I was able to relax, clear my mind, and I saw how shaken I was.

My son was like "I was so scared dad, that was crazy" and at that point it was clear, ish, I was afraid too. He couldn't see it, all he saw was his Dad spring into action...I told him "it's ok to be afraid that's the only way you can be brave because brave people take action even when they are afraid".

of course there's a time and a place.
and of course i still experience fear, discouragement etc. but I "manage" them.
they dont manage me.

ive been scared before but i did what you did.
i mushed it down and did what was necessary.
maybe i do more mushing than necessary (or maybe you wouldn't describe it as that) but hey we've all had different life experiences. I truly think of emotion and dwelling in it as a luxury. and I have zero time for it.

10 years army, 2.5 years deployed, maybe im screwed up. but i like having control as opposed to emotions having control over me.

Jay · 10/26/21

jasonrest said:
of course there's a time and a place.
and of course i still experience fear, discouragement etc. but I "manage" them.
they dont manage me.

ive been scared before but i did what you did.
i mushed it down and did what was necessary.
maybe i do more mushing than necessary (or maybe you wouldn't describe it as that) but hey we've all had different life experiences. I truly think of emotion and dwelling in it as a luxury. and I have zero time for it.

10 years army, 2.5 years deployed, maybe im screwed up. but i like having control as opposed to emotions having control over me.

Bruh 2.5 years of being deployed will change you permanently, that's nothing to balk at. I was in mock deployments that still sit with me 'til this very day. I couldn't imagine doing the real thing where your life is on the line at all times.

Bruh Man · 10/26/21

Czharcus said:
… is a popular phrase in our community, but it's not really possible, it's self-destructive (and destructive to the community by extension) and you don't ACTUALLY want to do it.

my nigga I’m not tryna gang up on you but this some hot garbage you spittin. Nigga my dad used to have my brothers and I working on his beat up ass GNX in the hot sun and when we would complain he would make us do push ups and that shit helped me until this day. Not only do I know how to fix cars but I know how to not to turn into a bitch ass nigga whenever I’m uncomfortable. he bred that shit out of me as a little boy and now I’m able to get shit done.

Czharcus said:
someone insults you and you get angry. You get the "bad" emotion because there is, at least, the smallest grain of sand part of you that believes what they said is true.

nah you get angry because they are verbally violating you and yo anger is yo body letting you know that that nigga violated and you need to do somethin about it. all this tarot card shit you talkin bout aint really how men move out here bruh.

you look at life like its a book with the next page already written nigga my next page is blank and im the author i dont get to decide the type of paper or the pen i write with but i sure as fuck control the content. Lets go!

jasonrest · 10/26/21

Jay said:
Bruh 2.5 years of being deployed will change you permanently, that's nothing to balk at. I was in mock deployments that still sit with me 'til this very day. I couldn't imagine doing the real thing where your life is on the line at all times.

a good friend of mine didnt make it. but im here. im grateful.

Czharcus · 10/26/21

Jay said:
I don't agree, as someone who has been in the military and has been boxing for close to 7 years, I've HAD to learn how to control my emotions to be able to function in situations that would typically trigger a fight or flight response in others.

Emotions cause us to take action but unchecked emotion can either put you in a paralysis or cause you to take the wrong action. In order to manage this, we are given a logical function which we use to guide and control our emotions.

We do this all the time in combat/fighting situations because when your adrenaline spikes your body's automation takes over and it starts focusing EXCLUSIVELY on the thing that is threatening your safety...you get tunnel vision, your hearing is muffled, things slow down, and basically you go into a stasis...that fear overwhelms you and makes you less effective.

When you learn to control that fear response you're able to operate more effectively in dangerous environments. When a shot goes off most people have that fight or flight response but when in the military you train to stay calm in that situation...you need to be able to figure out where the fire is coming from, you need to find cover, you need to see where the rest of your fire team is, and be able to return fire. You cannot do this if you are unable to control your emotions, you will seize up. @jasonrest correct me if you disagree. I was never in combat but my military training made perfect sense when I started boxing.

Now there are inappropriate times to say "get out of your emotions" but sometimes being caught in your emotions puts you in danger. My son and I were hiking and he got really afraid on a tough decent and instead of listening to the logical advice I gave him about putting his weight back, keeping his foot positioned sideways, and looking for solid ground to step on...he froze and started to tear up and cry. His fear caused him to not follow my advice, which caused him to slide more, and it became a cycle that put him in a stasis.

I told him he needed to man up and follow the LOGICAL steps I gave him because being governed completely by his emotions at the time WAS OF LITTLE VALUE. You use the fear to inform you of the gravity of the situation but you control it so that it doesn't stop you from taking your next step.

My $0.02.

You are not disagreeing and here's why:
What you are describing is an illusion. You are not controlling your emotions, you are refocusing away from the thoughts which triggered the emotion. It's a subtle yet important distinction. Had you kept your focus on the thought that triggered the emotion, you would not be able to control the emotion. The fight, flight, freeze response would take over completely as you describe. They taught you to control your focus and which thoughts to redirect your focus to in a war zone situation.

Our thoughts are what triggers our emotions and are often wrong or not helpful but we have the ability to refocus to more helpful thoughts. On the other hand, our emotions are never wrong and NEVER speak to what's happening in the 3D, but rather your thoughts about it. They speak Truth and only Truth, always. This distinction is important because emotions are your path to healing. Demonizing or suppressing them is self-destructive.

Do not believe me, experiment, investigate. Truth does not need my advocacy as everyone will come to the same conclusion because it is Truth. I only advocate to spur investigation so that anyone who wanted to would search for the Truth in places they never thought of looking.

Jay · 10/27/21

Czharcus said:
You are not disagreeing and here's why:
What you are describing is an illusion. You are not controlling your emotions, you are refocusing away from the thoughts which triggered the emotion. It's a subtle yet important distinction. Had you kept your focus on the thought that triggered the emotion, you would not be able to control the emotion. The fight, flight, freeze response would take over completely as you describe. They taught you to control your focus and which thoughts to redirect your focus to in a war zone situation.

Our thoughts are what triggers our emotions and are often wrong or not helpful but we have the ability to refocus to more helpful thoughts. On the other hand, our emotions are never wrong and NEVER speak to what's happening in the 3D, but rather your thoughts about it. They speak Truth and only Truth, always. This distinction is important because emotions are your path to healing. Demonizing or suppressing them is self-destructive.

Do not believe me, experiment, investigate. Truth does not need my advocacy as everyone will come to the same conclusion because it is Truth. I only advocate to spur investigation so that anyone who wanted to would search for the Truth in places they never thought of looking.

Yes I am disagreeing 100%.

We’ll just agree to disagree.

Czharcus · 10/27/21

Lamont said:
I cannot get jiggy with this train of thought as it will prove fatal for a Black man in the wrong circumstance. Let's say the race soldiers pull over a young brother and disrespect him for no reason, right? The young brother is going to be upset, angry, frustrated, hurt, and rightfully so but what happens if he acts upon those emotions? He'll make the situation worse and give the race soldiers the cover they need to murder him.

The young brother will likely get upset, angry, frustrated, and hurt but only because of conditioning, he believes in the ideas that make him feel those emotions. If the young brother did not believe the ideas "I can be disrespected" "I am fragile" "what he says matters" the cop could say every horrible thing in the book and he would not get upset. The cops verbal attacks would not have a place to land.

Children insult and are disrespectful to grown-ups all the time, but you would look at someone crazy if they got upset and wanted to fight the child. This because you don't believe the words hold any meaning coming from a child. You don't care. Why don't you care when the child disrespects you? The difference is thought. I should care if the cop says horrible things because of A, B, and C, but I should not if a child says the same horrible stuff because of D, E, and F.

Lamont said:
So what advice should we give to the young brother if he ever finds himself in this predicament? Should we tell him NOT to control his emotions? Should we tell him him to pretend as if his emotions do not exist? Or should we tell him to accept his emotions and whatever response those emotions evoke?

We should tell him what his emotions mean, that they are NOT a commentary on the situation but his thoughts about himself in it. We should tell him if he feels negative emotions, his thoughts are that he is weak and fragile but the Universe does not agree.

Lamont said:
That to me is why this frame of thought is destructive as it removes the individual the right to their agency. I would tell the younger brother that his anger is justified but he MUST CONTROL to make it through the traffic stop with his life. That is practical advice that we as Black men need to follow in order to make it out of these situations with our lives.

To know the thoughts that are triggering those emotions are incorrect thoughts gives them more agency. They would then be able to respond from an empowered, mindful position.

Lamont said:
One of the biggest gripes with Beta Black males is that they don't regulate their emotions, they lash out and do irrational things because they do not regulate their emotion with their logic.

You are describing the actions of individuals that do not understand how emotions work. They do not know the emotions are telling them that their thoughts are incorrect so they are believing them and reacting from those beliefs.

Lamont said:
This would provoke a great discussion but you wrote it dogmatically rather than from a discussion oriented frame of thought.

I accept that. Maybe I could have written it differently. But I am not speaking about any lofty or out of reach ideas. Every single word can be verified by you, by yourself if you are open to the possibility that it could be true. You don't have to believe it, I'm not talking about my belief. Open-minded investigation will show you that. (Might need a meditation practice too though, I don't actually know about that part because I had one going when I verified it)

Czharcus · 10/27/21

Bruh Man said:
my nigga I’m not tryna gang up on you but this some hot garbage you spittin.

I would have thought the same thing.

Bruh Man said:
Nigga my dad used to have my brothers and I working on his beat up ass GNX in the hot sun and when we would complain he would make us do push ups and that ish helped me until this day. Not only do I know how to fix cars but I know how to not to turn into a bish ass nigga whenever I’m uncomfortable. he bred that ish out of me as a little boy and now I’m able to get ish done.

Yes, he taught you to redirect your focus to more useful thoughts.

Bruh Man said:
nah you get angry because they are verbally violating you and yo anger is yo body letting you know that that nigga violated and you need to do somethin about it.

Can anyone verbally violate you and you not get angry? If the answer is, a child or your mother or your best friend or whoever could verbally violate you, but you not get angry, ask yourself why that is.

Why is it that your girlfriend could say I had sex with another man and it make you angry but a random girl on the street could say the same thing and you wouldn't care?

Tell me the difference between those 2 things aren't conditioning and thoughts. How could you have a different emotional response if the response was embedded in your body and had nothing to do with your thoughts?

What about the violation? Would it make you angry if someone violated something or someone you had no thought connections to?

Bruh Man said:
all this tarot card ish you talkin bout aint really how men move out here bruh.

It isn't but look at the state of us. It is the result of the way men are moving.

Bruh Man said:
you look at life like its a book with the next page already written nigga my next page is blank and im the author i dont get to decide the type of paper or the pen i write with but i sure as f**k control the content. Lets go!

That is a whole other can of worms, brother. LOL

Czharcus · 10/27/21

Jay said:
Yes I am disagreeing 100%.

We’ll just agree to disagree.

That's fine. I probably come across that way, but I'm not being arrogant because I am not necessarily disseminating MY knowledge. It's universal knowledge. This is your knowledge as much as it is mine. If it does not make sense to you in this moment, put it to the side. I only ask that you do not shun it forever on my behalf. Everybody sees it in their own time and I want to respect that.

Czharcus · 10/27/21

If you believe you are able to control your emotions, please humor me with this exercise:

Without focusing on/introducing any specific/new thoughts,

Be furious right now. I mean piping hot… Now stop.
Now be tearfully happy… Now stop.
Next, be debilitatingly depressed… Now stop.

Were you able to conjure any of those emotions out of nothing? If you were not, how could you say you control your emotions?

Bruh Man · 10/27/21

Czharcus said:
If you believe you are able to control your emotions, please humor me with this exercise:

Without focusing on/introducing any specific/new thoughts,

Be furious right now. I mean piping hot… Now stop.
Now be tearfully happy… Now stop.
Next, be debilitatingly depressed… Now stop.

Were you able to conjure any of those emotions out of nothing? If you were not, how could you say you control your emotions?

I neva said I can make myself pull emotions out the bottom of a hat and shit like some emotional Siegfried and Roy . But when external shit triggers an emotion I know how to control that emotion and regulate that shit with my thoughts.

A couple months ago I loaned a nigga 10 dollars and when it got time to pay me back that nigga started ducking me. I was angry because he thought I was some chump nigga who he could just ignore.

I wanted to catch the fade with this nigga just to teach him a lesson but that was me being emotional. When I thought about it logically it was just $10 and I ain’t tryna risk jail time over a musty $10.

So I was able to calm down my anger by thinking about why I was angry and how succumbing to that anger would fuck my shit all up.

Hitler was an emotional ass nigga which is why he lost WW2. If he was able to control his emotions he would have knew when to chill, when to regroup, when to reassess, he was running off how he felt instead of off logic and lost. Thank the lawd.

Czharcus · 10/27/21

Bruh Man said:
with my thoughts

Bruh Man said:
angry because he thought

This was also YOUR thought

Bruh Man said:
I thought about it logically

Bruh Man said:
by thinking about

You are corroborating what I've been saying. You're not actually controlling your emotions, you're refocusing the THOUGHTS that trigger them.

Bruh Man said:
I neva said I can make myself pull emotions out the bottom of a hat

If you can control your emotions, why can't you control your emotions?

Bruh Man said:
But when external ish triggers an emotion

This is an illusion. External sources are not inherently triggering, they need your thoughts.

Like making a baby: external sources provide the seed but they need your conditioning/embedded thoughts (the egg) to make a baby (an emotion). If you take the egg out of the equation, you don't get a baby no matter how many seeds you plant.

You know how to refocus the thoughts that create the emotion, but you cannot control the emotion or else you wouldn't even have to use your thoughts. Why use something else to control a thing when you can just control the thing?

You control the thoughts you focus on, not the emotions. Why is this seemingly insignificant distinction important?

Because it proves your emotions are not responding to the external situations, they are responding to your internal thoughts (I'm including beliefs because beliefs are thoughts). From there, all that is needed for you to never be triggered by anything ever again is to find the thoughts (conditioned beliefs) that are interacting with the seed and change them. This is self-empowerment.

You will also find that negative emotions only come from incorrect thoughts. Therefore, even negative emotions aren't ever a bad thing as they are pointing you to incorrect thoughts.

Jay · 10/27/21

Czharcus said:
but you cannot control the emotion or else you wouldn't even have to use your thoughts

That‘s not true because it‘s a system and you have multiple components working together to create a single unit. If I want to control fire, I don’t have to actually figure out how become one with the fire and manipulate it internally. I use water because I exist in a system where I can create fire, contain it with rocks, dampen it with water…I control it by leveraging other parts of the system. Emotions are fire, Thoughts are water…you need both

Czharcus · 10/27/21

Jay said:
That‘s not true because it‘s a system and you have multiple components working together to create a single unit. If I want to control fire, I don’t have to actually figure out how become one with the fire and manipulate it internally. I use water because I exist in a system where I can create fire, contain it with rocks, dampen it with water…I control it by leveraging other parts of the system. Emotions are fire, Thoughts are water…you need both

I'm not sure I understand. You are saying there are other non-thought based methods of changing emotions?

Blackness is Coming · 10/28/21

Lamont said:
I cannot get jiggy with this train of thought as it will prove fatal for a Black man in the wrong circumstance. Let's say the race soldiers pull over a young brother and disrespect him for no reason, right? The young brother is going to be upset, angry, frustrated, hurt, and rightfully so but what happens if he acts upon those emotions? He'll make the situation worse and give the race soldiers the cover they need to murder him.

So what advice should we give to the young brother if he ever finds himself in this predicament? Should we tell him NOT to control his emotions? Should we tell him him to pretend as if his emotions do not exist? Or should we tell him to accept his emotions and whatever response those emotions evoke?

That to me is why this frame of thought is destructive as it removes the individual the right to their agency. I would tell the younger brother that his anger is justified but he MUST CONTROL to make it through the traffic stop with his life. That is practical advice that we as Black men need to follow in order to make it out of these situations with our lives.

One of the biggest gripes with Beta Black males is that they don't regulate their emotions, they lash out and do irrational things because they do not regulate their emotion with their logic.

This would provoke a great discussion but you wrote it dogmatically rather than from a discussion oriented frame of thought.

I do get what you're saying, but does a black man expressing his anger at the police really give them the cover to abuse him? Or do we as black people fear handling our business and not allowing them to have a cover.

What is it that I'm missing? I do agree about self control at work or at the grocery store. Sometimes taking the high road and being controlled can work on your favor and make the abuser look crazy. But I do not understand how getting logically upset about abuse can be used against you. Or at least it shouldn't be used against you.

Lamont · 10/28/21

Blackness is Coming said:
I do get what you're saying, but does a black man expressing his anger at the police really give them the cover to abuse him? Or do we as black people fear handling our business and not allowing them to have a cover.

What is it that I'm missing? I do agree about self control at work or at the grocery store. Sometimes taking the high road and being controlled can work on your favor and make the abuser look crazy. But I do not understand how getting logically upset about abuse can be used against you. Or at least it shouldn't be used against you.

In context of universal law? No. Within the context of American law? Yes. When a racist cop pulls a Black person over we don’t have the time to factor in how things ”should“ be. Expecting to be respected how you “should” will have you running face first into how you “ARE” respected.

”I feared for my life”
”he was reaching for a gun”
”he was coming at me”

Those are the de facto excuses made in the court of law to take our lives and they work. The more calm and composed yiu are, the less justification they have to use the excuses above. We may not like it but we don’t fix that issue during the traffic stop.

Czharcus · 10/28/21

Blackness is Coming said:
But I do not understand how getting logically upset about abuse can be used against you.

Ain't it crazy? White supremacy (white people's collective ego) really turns the world upside down.

TheHarmattan · 10/28/21

This is subject that is way too big to digest in an academic setting but it is monumentally more difficult in a casual setting.

Czharcus, no disrespect, but you formulate your discussion on forming emphatic clauses when the subject need not be. I understand that you may be trying to illicit a response but I see it as a dead end; a thought trap if you will.

My Bible tells me that I can be angry but not to sin. God, Himself, Said in the Book of Hebrews, that He swore in His Wrath that those who sinned will never enter into His Rest.

But maybe I'm not understanding you clearly...

Lamont · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
Ain't it crazy? White supremacy (white people's collective ego) really turns the world upside down.

Please, spare us the sanctimony. Black Americans are subjects of White Supremacy in the USA. An obscure law that stops the judicial system from prosecuting a white murderous cop can instantly be negated for any reason if a Black murderous cop is in the same position. What’s theoretically or morally right isn’t always going to lead you to seeing another day which is why practicality is needed. All the superfluousness isn’t going to help people in tense moments. You‘d rathe argue the merits of ”control” rather than understanding the concept that one must control themselves and govern their actions in order to make the best decisions. Being ruled by emotions is just as bad as being ruled by logic, they are complementary systems.

TheHarmattan · 10/28/21

Lamont said:
Please, spare us the sanctimony. Black Americans are subjects of White Supremacy in the USA. An obscure law that stops the judicial system from prosecuting a white murderous cop can instantly be negated for any reason if a Black murderous cop is in the same position. What’s theoretically or morally right isn’t always going to lead you to seeing another day which is why practicality is needed. All the superfluousness isn’t going to help people in tense moments. You‘d rathe argue the merits of ”control” rather than understanding the concept that one must control themselves and govern their actions in order to make the best decisions. Being ruled by emotions is just as bad as being ruled by logic, they are complementary systems.

As it turns out I was misinterpreting this thread. Nice response. I'll see my way out.

Blackness is Coming · 10/28/21

Lamont said:
In context of universal law? No. Within the context of American law? Yes. When a racist cop pulls a Black person over we don’t have the time to factor in how things ”should“ be. Expecting to be respected how you “should” will have you running face first into how you “ARE” respected.

”I feared for my life”
”he was reaching for a gun”
”he was coming at me”

Those are the de facto excuses made in the court of law to take our lives and they work. The more calm and composed yiu are, the less justification they have to use the excuses above. We may not like it but we don’t fix that issue during the traffic stop.

It's not that I disagree with most of that, I understand the excuses used to support white supremacy. I'm not sure that we shouldn't handle it at a traffic stop though.

That person has to make that choice for themselves. It's an individual decision. To me, the question is, what are we as black people going to do about it? Because when we blame the victim, we're not really taking responsibility for our situation. If this person decides they are willing to die over being wrongfully pulled over, then that's their choice, right? And rather than tell them what they should have done, we should attack the system and perpetrators.

I'm not sure how else we're supposed to handle it. When you say that we don't handle this at a traffic stop, what do you mean? Where do we handle it??

Blackness is Coming · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
Ain't it crazy? White supremacy (white people's collective ego) really turns the world upside down.

I agree, but we seem to be using our tech l reactions against one another, rather than supporting them.

Lamont · 10/28/21

Blackness is Coming said:
It's not that I disagree with most of that, I understand the excuses used to support white supremacy. I'm not sure that we shouldn't handle it at a traffic stop though.

That person has to make that choice for themselves. It's an individual decision. To me, the question is, what are we as black people going to do about it? Because when we blame the victim, we're not really taking responsibility for our situation. If this person decides they are willing to die over being wrongfully pulled over, then that's their choice, right? And rather than tell them what they should have done, we should attack the system and perpetrators.

I'm not sure how else we're supposed to handle it. When you say that we don't handle this at a traffic stop, what do you mean? Where do we handle it??

What I mean is that we can’t lose soldiers in trivial interactions with law enforcement. If you are pulled over you are a prisoner of war and need to act as such. If you’re a pilot that’s shot down in enemy territory you don’t just start yelling and shouting when the enemy is coming to arrest you. You stay calm, diplomatic and you keep your mouth shut so that you can make it back to your family and be of continued service to your nation.

When you’re pulled over, the cop has their lights on you, and their guns drawn….YOU WILL NOT WIN. That’s what I mean by “this problem will not be solved at a traffic stop”. Its going to take us getting on code as a collective and then stepping to them as a collective and making sure they understand that if we take an L someone else is going to have to take one too.

I’m not victim blaming, I’m saying “if you know they are going kill you if you do x, don’t do x”. Even if x is the right thing or natural thing to do “dont do x” so that you can make it home. We can only plot and strategize if we are alive.

Czharcus · 10/28/21

TheHarmattan said:
This is subject that is way too big to digest in an academic setting but it is monumentally more difficult in a casual setting.

I do not expect many to understand this from a single post as it took time and observation/meditation/contemplation for me to understand it, but Truth has a way of seeping into you without you realizing it. It dawns on you when you least expect it. No one has to "get it" now.

This is a teach/learn experience for me, by teaching it, I deepen my understanding of it.

TheHarmattan said:
Czharcus, no disrespect, but you formulate your discussion on forming emphatic clauses when the subject need not be. I understand that you may be trying to illicit a response but I see it as a dead end; a thought trap if you will.

I believe I understand you. I think I could have tried to convey empathy more as if one identifies with a different method of emotional control they believe was working, I could come across as attacking them. At the same time, an illusion is an illusion and its better for anyone not to be trapped in one. The way we think about (the control of or in general) emotions is a mammoth of an illusion that leads to needless suffering.

I was trying to elicit the response of investigation and the result is definitely not a dead end or thought trap.

TheHarmattan said:
My Bible tells me that I can be angry but not to sin. God, Himself, Said in the Book of Hebrews, that He swore in His Wrath that those who sinned will never enter into His Rest.

But maybe I'm not understanding you clearly...

Shepherding my brothers into God's rest is exactly the point of this post. There is no rest without this understanding of emotions.

Blackness is Coming · 10/28/21

Lamont said:
What I mean is that we can’t lose soldiers in trivial interactions with law enforcement. If you are pulled over you are a prisoner of war and need to act as such. If you’re a pilot that’s shot down in enemy territory you don’t just start yelling and shouting when the enemy is coming to arrest you. You stay calm, diplomatic and you keep your mouth shut so that you can make it back to your family and be of continued service to your nation.

When you’re pulled over, the cop has their lights on you, and their guns drawn….YOU WILL NOT WIN. That’s what I mean by “this problem will not be solved at a traffic stop”. Its going to take us getting on code as a collective and then stepping to them as a collective and making sure they understand that if we take an L someone else is going to have to take one too.

I’m not victim blaming, I’m saying “if you know they are going kill you if you do x, don’t do x”. Even if x is the right thing or natural thing to do “dont do x” so that you can make it home. We can only plot and strategize if we are alive.

Thank you for explaining. I understand.

I agree, we do have to get on code. I feel that because weren't not on code yet, we are seeing desperate and emotional reactions in these situations that do often lead to our demise. I think if we felt that we had backing, maybe it would be easier to be calm in these situations. I think that's how I feel about it. When you feel helpless, you react differently than if you know you have troops coming.

Thanks

Lamont · 10/28/21

Blackness is Coming said:
Thank you for explaining. I understand.

I agree, we do have to get on code. I feel that because weren't not on code yet, we are seeing desperate and emotional reactions in these situations that do often lead to our demise. I think if we felt that we had backing, maybe it would be easier to be calm in these situations. I think that's how I feel about it. When you feel helpless, you react differently than if you know you have troops coming.

Thanks

You’re welcome and thus is why men are needed because we need to raise the men to navigate life properly. We NEED to raise strong men who are emotionally informed but not emotionally lead. You are the other half that give our kids balance to be healthy and functioning human beings with empathy, love and respect.

But we need to be aware that we are not white and we will be punished different. We walk a tight rope while white people have a stable bridge with teams running them between each side every 15 minutes. It’s not right, it’s not fair, and it needs to end but we have to deal with what we have not what we wish it was.

Blackness is Coming · 10/28/21

Lamont said:
You’re welcome and thus is why men are needed because we need to raise the men to navigate life properly. We NEED to raise strong men who are emotionally informed but not emotionally lead. You are the other half that give our kids balance to be healthy and functioning human beings with empathy, love and respect.

But we need to be aware that we are not white and we will be punished different. We walk a tight rope while white people have a stable bridge with teams running them between each side every 15 minutes. It’s not right, it’s not fair, and it needs to end but we have to deal with what we have not what we wish it was.

I agree. And I often wonder how my being a woman affects my reactions and thought process. As a black woman, I do not feel secure to be honest, as far as my safety goes. But it's my family that keeps my calm in these situations. The fact that I have to be there for them and I want to see my kids every morning smiling at me. That's what keeps me calm. But that is used against us as parents. It's very stressful

Jay · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
I do not expect many to understand this from a single post as it took time and observation/meditation/contemplation for me to understand it, but Truth has a way of seeping into you without you realizing it. It dawns on you when you least expect it. No one has to "get it" now.

You talk like you are God incarnated which is the issue. If you want proper reception stop presenting your hypothesis like they are theories.

If you are meditating with essential oils burning and Kenny G playing and have an amazing thought, that’s freaking fantastic but don’t push that shit out like undisputed fact and like we’re just plebs that aren’t as spiritually in tune as you.

It’s patronizing, there’s people on here smarter than you, believe that. No shade, just a discussion.

TheHarmattan · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
I do not expect many to understand this from a single post as it took time and observation/meditation/contemplation for me to understand it, but Truth has a way of seeping into you without you realizing it. It dawns on you when you least expect it. No one has to "get it" now.

This is a teach/learn experience for me, by teaching it, I deepen my understanding of it.

I believe I understand you. I think I could have tried to convey empathy more as if one identifies with a different method of emotional control they believe was working, I could come across as attacking them. At the same time, an illusion is an illusion and its better for anyone not to be trapped in one. The way we think about (the control of or in general) emotions is a mammoth of an illusion that leads to needless suffering.

I was trying to elicit the response of investigation and the result is definitely not a dead end or thought trap.

Shepherding my brothers into God's rest is exactly the point of this post. There is no rest without this understanding of emotions.

No disrespect once again, but I don't think of your viewpoint as an attack. I view it as one of authority. You talk very emphatically about things but I haven't given you any berth in authority in order for your message to reach beyond this thread on a messageboard.

I don't know where @Jay put the thread, but I actually created a workable kernel for an OS for this board. Anyone could have downloaded that kernel and inspected it to see if I was competent in what I was doing.

Usually people who write emphatically show proof from other sources as a way of demonstrating their position. Jesus, Himself, Quoted Scripture in His Ministry.

Are you above demonstrating? If you have a problem addressing God the Way He Chose to reveal Himself, there are bigger problems that are needing to be resolved before there is any further examination.

TLDR
You don't have the authority to emphatically make the points you are making and then build on it.

Jay · 10/28/21

TheHarmattan said:
No disrespect once again, but I don't think of your viewpoint as an attack. I view it as one of authority. You talk very emphatically about things but I haven't given you any berth in authority in order for your message to reach beyond this thread on a messageboard.

I don't know where @Jay put the thread, but I actually created a workable kernel for an OS for this board. Anyone could have downloaded to kernel and inspected it to see if I was competent in what I was doing.

Usually people who write emphatically show proof from other sources as a way of demonstrating there position. Jesus, Himself, Quoted Scripture in His Ministry.

Are you above demonstrating? If you have a problem addressing God the Way He Chose to reveal Himself, there are bigger problems that are needing to be resolved before there is any further examination.

TLDR
You don't have the authority to emphatically make the points you are making and then build on it.

It’s here bruh and great post.

Jay · 10/28/21

Blackness is Coming said:
I agree. And I often wonder how my being a woman affects my reactions and thought process. As a black woman, I do not feel secure to be honest, as far as my safety goes. But it's my family that keeps my calm in these situations. The fact that I have to be there for them and I want to see my kids every morning smiling at me. That's what keeps me calm. But that is used against us as parents. It's very stressful

Does your man/husband make you feel secure?

TheHarmattan · 10/28/21

Jay said:
It’s here bruh and great post.

I love philosophy. Thanks.

Czharcus · 10/28/21

Lamont said:
Please, spare us the sanctimony.

Interesting to me that you believe I'm being sanctimonious. I will take that criticism and search myself for what is true in it.

Lamont said:
What’s theoretically or morally right isn’t always going to lead you to seeing another day which is why practicality is needed. All the superfluousness isn’t going to help people in tense moments.

I'm not shopping theory or morality. It is practical to understand if you are triggered by something in the environment, it is because of a damaging belief in yourself. Addressing that belief before you are in the situation makes you impervious to anything that would have triggered you had you not. In other words, I'm talking about never getting into the emotions, people say you should get out of. Not in the way of redirecting your thoughts, but never needing to.

Lamont said:
You‘d rathe argue the merits of ”control” rather than understanding the concept that one must control themselves and govern their actions in order to make the best decisions.

That is not necessarily what I'm doing. Why exert "control" if you don't need to? I'm talking about eliminating the thing that makes you have to exert control in the 1st place. Imagine how much faster, more efficient you would be in making decisions once you eliminate this entire step.

Lamont said:
Being ruled by emotions is just as bad as being ruled by logic, they are complementary systems.

This is more complicated than that.

Czharcus · 10/28/21

Blackness is Coming said:
I agree, but we seem to be using our tech l reactions against one another, rather than supporting them.

I see where you are coming from, but our internal struggle isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Lamont · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
Interesting to me that you believe I'm being sanctimonious. I will take that criticism and search myself for what is true in it.

I'm not shopping theory or morality. It is practical to understand if you are triggered by something in the environment, it is because of a damaging belief in yourself. Addressing that belief before you are in the situation makes you impervious to anything that would have triggered you had you not. In other words, I'm talking about never getting into the emotions, people say you should get out of. Not in the way of redirecting your thoughts, but never needing to.

That is not necessarily what I'm doing. Why exert "control" if you don't need to? I'm talking about eliminating the thing that makes you have to exert control in the 1st place. Imagine how much faster, more efficient you would be in making decisions once you eliminate this entire step.

This is more complicated than that.

Show me what you have built.

Blackness is Coming · 10/28/21

Jay said:
Does your man/husband make you feel secure?

Well, speaking to you guys now, I feel like I need time to investigate my feelings.

If we were pulled over for no reason, I wouldn't want him to give his information, but he would, and i wouldn't like that. I want the police to call our bluff and my husband doesn't force the hand. At the same time, I can see what the guys on here are saying about control. He is very controlled, but I'm not sure when it's a good or a bad thing.

Simple answer is, my husband takes care of everything as far as providing, good father and such. So I feel safe that he won't leave us, but I do not know if I feel safe that he would defend me, at least not the way I want to be defended or think I should be. I think situations from my past have contributed to my feelings as well, and I can see that I put a lot on him. But I'm not sure what's reasonable or not.

But my feelings go beyond my husband. I don't feel safe in a very general sense.

Czharcus · 10/28/21

Jay said:
You talk like you are God incarnated which is the issue.

1st of all, my spiritual ego thanks you. I am God incarnate, but so are you, so how my spiritual ego feels is irrelevant. 2nd, I can see how it can be an issue for individuals who do not know how I perceive them: as me in another body.

Jay said:
If you want proper reception stop presenting your hypothesis like they are theories.

That's absolutely my problem. I literally felt the same way when I 1st heard these truths from 1 of my spiritual gurus. How do I convey a universal truth everyone has access to, but is virtually opposite to mainstream culture without coming across as a holier than thou Dick? I do not effin know dude.

Like the conversation we had before about the "metaphysical community" about why they ignore the 3D. Because when they say something, they just come across as pompous assholes.

I recognize now though, this is just a part of the process I was told about. I will speak the truth in the excitement of just wanting everybody to know it until enough people sanction me for it and then I'll shut up LOL.

Jay said:
If you were meditating listening to Kenny G and have an amazing thought, that’s freaking fantastic but don’t push that ish out like undisputed fact and we’re just plebs that aren’t as spiritually in tune as you.

It's disputed but it is fact, because it isn't coming from me. It is not MY thought.

"we’re just plebs that aren’t as spiritually in tune as you."
This is a judgment that comes from you and has absolutely nothing to do with me or anything I have said. It is also the exact one I've made in your position. There is no judgment from me towards anyone that does not see this truth as it's just an illusion of time.

Jay said:
It’s patronizing, there’s people on here smarter than you, believe that. No shade, just a discussion.

It does come across as patronizing to some in the moment but it was said because another self wanted to hear it, even if they didn't know it.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a butt load of people on here that are smarter than me, therefore there is no thought in me for these words to trigger, no place for any shade to possibly land.

Thank you for being candid with me.

TheHarmattan · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
1st of all, my spiritual ego thanks you. I am God incarnate, but so are you, so how my spiritual ego feels is irrelevant. 2nd, I can see how it can be an issue for individuals who do not know how I perceive them: as me in another body.

That's absolutely my problem. I literally felt the same way when I 1st heard these truths from 1 of my spiritual gurus. How do I convey a universal truth everyone has access to, but is virtually opposite to mainstream culture without coming across as a holier than thou Dick? I do not effin know dude.

Like the conversation we had before about the "metaphysical community" about why they ignore the 3D. Because when they say something, they just come across as pompous assholes.

I recognize now though, this is just a part of the process I was told about. I will speak the truth in the excitement of just wanting everybody to know it until enough people sanction me for it and then I'll shut up LOL.

It's disputed but it is fact, because it isn't coming from me. It is not MY thought.

"we’re just plebs that aren’t as spiritually in tune as you."
This is a judgment that comes from you and has absolutely nothing to do with me or anything I have said. It is also the exact one I've made in your position. There is no judgment from me towards anyone that does not see this truth as it's just an illusion of time.

It does come across as patronizing to some in the moment but it was said because another self wanted to hear it, even if they didn't know it.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a butt load of people on here that are smarter than me, therefore there is no thought in me for these words to trigger, no place for any shade to possibly land.

Thank you for being candid with me.

Who is this who obscures My counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:2

Have you ever in your life commanded the morning, And made the dawn know its place...
Job 38:12

Whelp, this is where we part. Many have claimed to be God and Jesus was the only one that told the truth.

Your blasphemy isn't new or shocking, I'm just surprised the the enemy of God hasn't found another way of trying to claim to be God. It's rather old and worn.

Have a good day and night.
I'm out.

Jay · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
1st of all, my spiritual ego thanks you. I am God incarnate, but so are you, so how my spiritual ego feels is irrelevant. 2nd, I can see how it can be an issue for individuals who do not know how I perceive them: as me in another body.

That's absolutely my problem. I literally felt the same way when I 1st heard these truths from 1 of my spiritual gurus. How do I convey a universal truth everyone has access to, but is virtually opposite to mainstream culture without coming across as a holier than thou Dick? I do not effin know dude.

Like the conversation we had before about the "metaphysical community" about why they ignore the 3D. Because when they say something, they just come across as pompous assholes.

I recognize now though, this is just a part of the process I was told about. I will speak the truth in the excitement of just wanting everybody to know it until enough people sanction me for it and then I'll shut up LOL.

It's disputed but it is fact, because it isn't coming from me. It is not MY thought.

"we’re just plebs that aren’t as spiritually in tune as you."
This is a judgment that comes from you and has absolutely nothing to do with me or anything I have said. It is also the exact one I've made in your position. There is no judgment from me towards anyone that does not see this truth as it's just an illusion of time.

It does come across as patronizing to some in the moment but it was said because another self wanted to hear it, even if they didn't know it.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a butt load of people on here that are smarter than me, therefore there is no thought in me for these words to trigger, no place for any shade to possibly land.

Thank you for being candid with me.

Ok dude.

Czharcus · 10/28/21

TheHarmattan said:
No disrespect once again, but I don't think of your viewpoint as an attack. I view it as one of authority. You talk very emphatically about things but I haven't given you any berth in authority in order for your message to reach beyond this thread on a messageboard.

I don't know where @Jay put the thread, but I actually created a workable kernel for an OS for this board. Anyone could have downloaded that kernel and inspected it to see if I was competent in what I was doing.

Usually people who write emphatically show proof from other sources as a way of demonstrating their position. Jesus, Himself, Quoted Scripture in His Ministry.

Are you above demonstrating? If you have a problem addressing God the Way He Chose to reveal Himself, there are bigger problems that are needing to be resolved before there is any further examination.

TLDR
You don't have the authority to emphatically make the points you are making and then build on it.

If I felt disrespect, it would be a figment of my own imagination.

I've had to look up multiple words that you have said as they were beyond my vocabulary. I say this because @Jay told me there were people on here smarter than me, I guess I did not have to look far.

YOU are my proof. I know we live in a world where we believe the truth is somewhere outside of us, relative truth, sure. I am speaking about ultimate Truth, which means every individual on earth has access to this very same Truth without ever having to verify with anyone or anything else. I alone do not have ANY authority. God verifies what I say. God a.k.a. YOU.

The Scripture you referenced where God, himself, swore in his Wrath that those who sin will never enter into his rest. "Sin" is the thoughts in you that get triggered by exterior situations/happenings/whatever. They are incorrect thoughts that elicit His "Wrath". He is you. You are God and you suffer his wrath (negative emotions) when you are triggered, ensuring you do not enter into "His" rest. With this post, I am advocating the removal of sin and pointing to how to do it.

TheHarmattan · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
If I felt disrespect, it would be a figment of my own imagination.

I've had to look up multiple words that you have said as they were beyond my vocabulary. I say this because @Jay told me there were people on here smarter than me, I guess I did not have to look far.

YOU are my proof. I know we live in a world where we believe the truth is somewhere outside of us, relative truth, sure. I am speaking about ultimate Truth, which means every individual on earth has access to this very same Truth without ever having to verify with anyone or anything else. I alone do not have ANY authority. God verifies what I say. God a.k.a. YOU.

The Scripture you referenced where God, himself, swore in his Wrath that those who sin will never enter into his rest. "Sin" is the thoughts in you that get triggered by exterior situations/happenings/whatever. They are incorrect thoughts that elicit His "Wrath". He is you. You are God and you suffer his wrath (negative emotions) when you are triggered, ensuring you do not enter into "His" rest. With this post, I am advocating the removal of sin and pointing to how to do it.

I am NOT God and neither are you. If you are God, when have you commanded the day or shown the dawn its place?

Sin is not a thought. Controlling your thoughts is like keeping a bird from flying over your head. It's what you do with those thoughts that make it sin. The definition of sin is simple: transgressions against God's Law. Simple.

Your spirituality is not in line with Scripture and I fully accept that so, I'll just interpolate: your god, when you speak of God. It's very evident that you have not read the Bible or understand the principles taught in it.

Good day or evening

Lamont · 10/28/21

Czharcus said:
If I felt disrespect, it would be a figment of my own imagination.

I've had to look up multiple words that you have said as they were beyond my vocabulary. I say this because @Jay told me there were people on here smarter than me, I guess I did not have to look far.

YOU are my proof. I know we live in a world where we believe the truth is somewhere outside of us, relative truth, sure. I am speaking about ultimate Truth, which means every individual on earth has access to this very same Truth without ever having to verify with anyone or anything else. I alone do not have ANY authority. God verifies what I say. God a.k.a. YOU.

The Scripture you referenced where God, himself, swore in his Wrath that those who sin will never enter into his rest. "Sin" is the thoughts in you that get triggered by exterior situations/happenings/whatever. They are incorrect thoughts that elicit His "Wrath". He is you. You are God and you suffer his wrath (negative emotions) when you are triggered, ensuring you do not enter into "His" rest. With this post, I am advocating the removal of sin and pointing to how to do it.

I will say this and exit stage left before Jay gives me a hand slap.

You write in a very sophisticated manner but after about 2-3 posts it wears thin and you reveal yourself to be a one trick pony.

You never debate at face value, you inject imagination into conversations which is your way of moving the goal posts.

When you get called out on this you down talk people and state that their disagreement with your shifting goal posts and imaginary thinking is due to their own deficiencies.

You have developed a system that allows you to never have to confront being wrong because you always make subjective points and then shift goal posts as needed.

TheHarmattan · 10/28/21

Lamont said:
I will say this and exit stage left before Jay gives me a hand slap.

You write in a very sophisticated manner but after about 2-3 posts it wears thin and you reveal yourself to be a one trick pony.

You never debate at face value, you inject imagination into conversations which is your way of moving the goal posts.

When you get called out on this you down talk people and state that their disagreement with your shifting goal posts and imaginary thinking is due to their own deficiencies.

You have developed a system that allows you to never have to confront being wrong because you always make subjective points and then shift goal posts as needed.

Absolutely brilliant.

The need to be validated is strong with that young man. I hope the challenges of life are merciful to him.

Czharcus · 10/28/21

Lamont said:
Show me what you have built.

I can show you part of what I'm building. It's in my signature.

Czharcus · 10/28/21

TheHarmattan said:
Who is this who obscures My counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:2

My (spiritual) ego.

TheHarmattan said:
Have you ever in your life commanded the morning, And made the dawn know its place...
Job 38:12

I'm not sure how to translate this 1. I need more context.

TheHarmattan said:
Whelp, this is where we part. Many have claimed to be God and Jesus was the only one that told the truth.

Your blasphemy isn't new or shocking, I'm just surprised the the enemy of God hasn't found another way of trying to claim to be God. It's rather old and worn.

I am God and Jesus and so are you.

I also harbor the enemy of God (my ego). My spiritual ego compels me to debate with you, making me God standing against God, quite insane.

TheHarmattan said:
Have a good day and night.
I'm out.

Thank you, brother. You definitely brought things that require healing to the forefront.

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