MLK Day just passed and I've listened to the narrative that Dr. King was pro-reparations. But I don't think it's possible to be B1 and actively push for integration.
There's NO INTERGRATION, only SEGREGATION & ONLY US, period!Didn't he say he thought he messed up and led us into a burning building?
yeah. this is the quote you're referring to.Didn't he say he thought he messed up and led us into a burning building?
i feel ya. but under integration, the system of WS still hold the power over us and the country. we still don't govern ourselves or own the land we live in. in 2023, we still don't own anything. there's not one industry we own, that white people must have to go through us to get.No. It’s not possible to be B1 and support integration BUT I’d be remiss if I didn’t clarify. Integration is more than just sitting next to white people, it was to legitimize us as citizens in the country that we built. See back in Jim Crow black people had to pay taxes just like everyone else, however that money only went to white infrastructure. That alone is unconstitutional and is basically slavery; we worked, payed taxes, but received nothing. Our hospitals, schools, roads were under funded. Our taxes went to transit services that would dehumanize us or straight up reject us, sometimes VIOLENTLY. When we look at the healthcare system our sisters would go in for treatment and receive “Mississippi Appendectomies”, where they would get mutilated and violated until hospitals started losing funding for discriminatory practice. Sundown towns, where by law you could get lynched for being dark after dark. That was segregation, it was more than exclusion, it was an extension of slavery.
So going back to my original answer; I understand that most folk have simplified integration into wanting to be around white people, and to that simplified view of integration, I say no, you can’t be B1 if yearn to be around white people. I heavily support separation from non FBAs but I’d be damned if I let my tax dollars go to white infrastructure, hospitals that will dehumanize me, roads that lead to late night lynch mobs, or buses that don’t want to seat me and while I may not agree how my ancestors went about the Civil Rights Movement, I understand what they were going through.
i agree, but i'm thinking bigger. we should OWN the country we live in so we can control those things.I'm going to say yes, but with a caveat. We have integration the same way the Chinese, Jews, Mormons have done: On your own terms. Basically integration when its helpful to you individually and by default to your people at large.
This is in any of America's institutions. You integrate strategically in a nutshell. We live in the most systemically integrated society ever in some ways. Let's make it work for ourselves. And when necessary we isolate ourselves. For example, we should have shut EVERYONE out of hip hop. The black hair care industry should be completely segregated. Same with black music.
No. It’s not possible to be B1 and support integration BUT I’d be remiss if I didn’t clarify. Integration is more than just sitting next to white people, it was to legitimize us as citizens in the country that we built. See back in Jim Crow black people had to pay taxes just like everyone else, however that money only went to white infrastructure. That alone is unconstitutional and is basically slavery; we worked, payed taxes, but received nothing. Our hospitals, schools, roads were under funded. Our taxes went to transit services that would dehumanize us or straight up reject us, sometimes VIOLENTLY. When we look at the healthcare system our sisters would go in for treatment and receive “Mississippi Appendectomies”, where they would get mutilated and violated until hospitals started losing funding for discriminatory practice. Sundown towns, where by law you could get lynched for being dark after dark. That was segregation, it was more than exclusion, it was an extension of slavery.
So going back to my original answer; I understand that most folk have simplified integration into wanting to be around white people, and to that simplified view of integration, I say no, you can’t be B1 if yearn to be around white people. I heavily support separation from non FBAs but I’d be damned if I let my tax dollars go to white infrastructure, hospitals that will dehumanize me, roads that lead to late night lynch mobs, or buses that don’t want to seat me and while I may not agree how my ancestors went about the Civil Rights Movement, I understand what they were going through.
I said specifically we integrate STRATEGICALLY. It never worked because we integrated without a plan as a group. The people I mentioned did. Every group I mentioned brought the knowledge and wealth from integration back to their own communities to make it stronger.blackice_ATL
Integration has never worked strategically for black people. In 2023, we control nothing. Not even our own music.
I don't agree with your example because Chinese people have China as leverage. Jewish people have the state of Israel and has infiltrated every level of US govt. And Mormons are just white. lol
Jason Black critiques the dominant society more than anything. He doesn't go after the ancestors. When he does critique one of our own its usually as a teaching moment or a time to get someone more on code or add a perspective. If we just arguing for the sake of arguing be my guest but from my perspective it seems disrespectful in lieu of the man's birthday. Just passing. Lastly they dont kill opps. They dont even kill their tools. Obviously he posed a legitimate threat which is why he was killed.What also frustrates me is how quickly some of us are always critiquing someone black. For instance We can debate but are we really debating the merits of Jason Black and MLK?? Our open enemy should have our undivided attention instead we get tribal about who we should or should not listen to in the B1 community. Can we keep the main thing the main thing which is fighting white supremacy
Thank you brother!!! You would think this obvious but we live in a time where clicks matter more than merit.pushing for integration was a smoke screen. Baby steps. Dr Kings agenda was always B1
Real Talk!!!!AmeriKKKa just needs to #CutTheChecks and me and like minded blacks will self segregate w/ 10 foot wall around our property. There will be no buying of new cars.
We are going to start with this being blackice_ATL's support for his position. If you respond, you must address this point directly. Comments about the merits of the argument, what you feel is appropriate discourse, and any other logical fallacy will be deleted. Prove Me Wrong is all about intelligent discourse and not appeals to emotion or any other debate tactic.long ago, Jason said something I agree with. He said (paraphrasing), "black people aim to be equal, white people aim to be dominant. And that's why we're losing."
MLK was aiming to be equal to the dominant society, not dominant.
I would also add as far as strategy you have to fight in a particular manner when you are attacking from a weaker position. White supremacy has a lock on violence. There was no way for MLK to dominate the dominant society through violence so he had to use non violence as a tactic. That is not the same as saying he was complicit with the dominant society. He checked the dominant society on their hypocricy. Also we as a people utilized integration incorrectly. If we wouldn't have abandoned our infrastructure we would've been competing to put white dollars in black banks not the other way around. That does not fall at the feet of. MLK. He had to fight with the best tactics he had available at the time. MLK was not compromised just because he got close to the heart of the beast. As Jason Black stated in his last broadcast MLK was playing the long game with the dominant society and even in the end Malcolm X made peace with MLK.long ago, Jason said something I agree with. He said (paraphrasing), "black people aim to be equal, white people aim to be dominant. And that's why we're losing."
MLK was aiming to be equal to the dominant society, not dominant.
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Right. We don’t live on exclusive tribal land. We have to deal with non-Black Americans, but at this point there’s little strategic about it. First we must be on code ourselves; agree to pay more for a brother’s product instead always going for the Asian bargain. Why? Because he’s our brother. Even if you don’t like him personally, he’s one of ours. We don’t think like that, other ethnicities and races do.I said specifically we integrate STRATEGICALLY. It never worked because we integrated without a plan as a group. The people I mentioned did. Every group I mentioned brought the knowledge and wealth from integration back to their own communities to make it stronger.
That's strategic.
I would say that you can because is it B1 to purposefully subject your children to perpetual hot war?
when guns were dropped off in the hood during the crack era, we didn't use it to fight WS. Instead, we used it to oppress ourselves.Daily life would have been black and white folks trading bullets (if we could get our hands on some guns) all the time, everywhere.
On another point, it's doubtful other world powers wouldn't jump in at some point. I believe the world would look starkly different without the actions of MLK. It would probably make a really good movie/series.
Like integration has EVER work for us from the moment other groups invaded or befriended us!MLK Day just passed and I've listened to the narrative that Dr. King was pro-reparations. But I don't think it's possible to be B1 and actively push for integration.
I don't agree with your example because Chinese people have China as leverage. Jewish people have the state of Israel and has infiltrated every level of US govt. And Mormons are just white. lol