MLK Day just passed and I've listened to the narrative that Dr. King was pro-reparations. But I don't think it's possible to be B1 and actively push for integration.
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Jason Black was WRONG!: Is it possible to be B1 and pro-integration?
There's NO INTERGRATION, only SEGREGATION & ONLY US, period!
yeah. this is the quote you're referring to.
“We have fought hard and long for integration, as I believe we should have, and I know that we will win. But I've come to believe we're integrating into a burning house.
I'm afraid that America may be losing what moral vision she may have had …. And I'm afraid that even as we integrate, we are walking into a place that does not understand that this nation needs to be deeply concerned with the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. Until we commit ourselves to ensuring that the underclass is given justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger and violence that tears at the soul of this nation.”
Yes, he admitted it. But did he cut off his jooish allies that were paying him? Did he stop publicly pushing for integration? I think TBA and others are forcing the narrative that MLK was pro-reparations by saying he was a mastermind and speaking in parables, but to me that doesn't fit his actions. I think his assassination was another case of WS breaking its tools.
To further my point, he's STILL getting praised by the WS system. If he was really B1 and pro-reparations, he would be demonized like Malcolm X in American history.
I find out odd that black AND white people can honor and praise MLK. That doesn't fit because we know anyone that's really B1, white people and the WS system hate it.
No. It’s not possible to be B1 and support integration BUT I’d be remiss if I didn’t clarify. Integration is more than just sitting next to white people, it was to legitimize us as citizens in the country that we built. See back in Jim Crow black people had to pay taxes just like everyone else, however that money only went to white infrastructure. That alone is unconstitutional and is basically slavery; we worked, payed taxes, but received nothing. Our hospitals, schools, roads were under funded. Our taxes went to transit services that would dehumanize us or straight up reject us, sometimes VIOLENTLY. When we look at the healthcare system our sisters would go in for treatment and receive “Mississippi Appendectomies”, where they would get mutilated and violated until hospitals started losing funding for discriminatory practice. Sundown towns, where by law you could get lynched for being dark after dark. That was segregation, it was more than exclusion, it was an extension of slavery.
So going back to my original answer; I understand that most folk have simplified integration into wanting to be around white people, and to that simplified view of integration, I say no, you can’t be B1 if yearn to be around white people. I heavily support separation from non FBAs but I’d be damned if I let my tax dollars go to white infrastructure, hospitals that will dehumanize me, roads that lead to late night lynch mobs, or buses that don’t want to seat me and while I may not agree how my ancestors went about the Civil Rights Movement, I understand what they were going through.
So going back to my original answer; I understand that most folk have simplified integration into wanting to be around white people, and to that simplified view of integration, I say no, you can’t be B1 if yearn to be around white people. I heavily support separation from non FBAs but I’d be damned if I let my tax dollars go to white infrastructure, hospitals that will dehumanize me, roads that lead to late night lynch mobs, or buses that don’t want to seat me and while I may not agree how my ancestors went about the Civil Rights Movement, I understand what they were going through.
I'm going to say yes, but with a caveat. We have integration the same way the Chinese, Jews, Mormons have done: On your own terms. Basically integration when its helpful to you individually and by default to your people at large.
This is in any of America's institutions. You integrate strategically in a nutshell. We live in the most systemically integrated society ever in some ways. Let's make it work for ourselves. And when necessary we isolate ourselves. For example, we should have shut EVERYONE out of hip hop. The black hair care industry should be completely segregated. Same with black music.
This is in any of America's institutions. You integrate strategically in a nutshell. We live in the most systemically integrated society ever in some ways. Let's make it work for ourselves. And when necessary we isolate ourselves. For example, we should have shut EVERYONE out of hip hop. The black hair care industry should be completely segregated. Same with black music.
i feel ya. but under integration, the system of WS still hold the power over us and the country. we still don't govern ourselves or own the land we live in. in 2023, we still don't own anything. there's not one industry we own, that white people must have to go through us to get.
i agree, but i'm thinking bigger. we should OWN the country we live in so we can control those things.
How do blacks own America? Or do I have it wrong? My suggestion is have as much control over ourselves as possible and I'll use Jews and Mormons as examples. Mormons run Utah. Up an down. To a large extent Nevada as well. Utah is their country. There is no institution that can dominate Jews. They are either running or well represented in that institution or that institution is too scared to eff with them.
As much as possible, we need to be in control of our own institutions and there should be a price to pay for effing with us arbitrarily (the police, etc. ).
As much as possible, we need to be in control of our own institutions and there should be a price to pay for effing with us arbitrarily (the police, etc. ).
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No because White people believe in White Supremacy and White Supremacy is incompatible with Black Empowerment. The only way to integrate into White society is to tuck your tail and fall in line. Anyone advocating integration at this point in time is an opp.
Integration for blacks will always be the eraser of our own people. Think about everything the whites and jews promote that deal with black folks. It isn't wholesomeness... it is thug behavior and ratchetness. That is what these pale demons promote which keeps our youth in a constant struggle.
This is a great post. Us looking back 60 years it's hard to see why integration was necessary. If we grew up then we'd look at it how they did.
I said specifically we integrate STRATEGICALLY. It never worked because we integrated without a plan as a group. The people I mentioned did. Every group I mentioned brought the knowledge and wealth from integration back to their own communities to make it stronger.blackice_ATL
Integration has never worked strategically for black people. In 2023, we control nothing. Not even our own music.
I don't agree with your example because Chinese people have China as leverage. Jewish people have the state of Israel and has infiltrated every level of US govt. And Mormons are just white. lol
That's strategic.
What also frustrates me is how quickly some of us are always critiquing someone black. For instance We can debate but are we really debating the merits of Jason Black and MLK?? Our open enemy should have our undivided attention instead we get tribal about who we should or should not listen to in the B1 community. Can we keep the main thing the main thing which is fighting white supremacy
Coming out of Jim Crow MLK was B1 by default since he was speaking on behalf of at the time the black power structure. We had more black owned everything at that time. I say our open enemy desrves the smoke not the legacy of a dedicated ancestor.
Jason Black critiques the dominant society more than anything. He doesn't go after the ancestors. When he does critique one of our own its usually as a teaching moment or a time to get someone more on code or add a perspective. If we just arguing for the sake of arguing be my guest but from my perspective it seems disrespectful in lieu of the man's birthday. Just passing. Lastly they dont kill opps. They dont even kill their tools. Obviously he posed a legitimate threat which is why he was killed.
Thank you brother!!! You would think this obvious but we live in a time where clicks matter more than merit.
Boss Hog. Are those two on code?? Clearly not. That's why he was critiquing them. Just like I stated in my response this was about showing folks how off code they were in order to show those who are on code that our narrative and agenda is effective. Michael Eric Dyson and Marc Lamont Hill can't even hold a candle to MLK. Do you really think they are on his level. Do you think they are on code more than MLK thus they dont deserve to be critiqued?? Criticizing those who are off code has more merit than repeatedly attacking an ancestor that has already died for his people. Its not a matter of favoritism more so than principle for me. If you stand for nothing you fall for anything. I stand for those who are on code for our people. I dont fall for the divide and conquer trick bag.
Not speaking ill of the dead is a Black American sentiment. We have enough outside enemies who are alive and well doing damage to our people. I would rather argue about strategies to attack them not sully the reputation of a treasured ancestor just because.
blackice_ATL Dr Claud Anderson directly contradicts what you are stating. He states in Powernomics that just like in China town or Korea town the infrastructure is in place for the community but business can still be conducted outside of the community without compromising the integrity of the community. In MLK's time the black infrastructure was already in place. He repeatedly stated that black Americans were entitled to take part in the overall wealth generation of the entire country. MLK was B1 by default based on the context of his time. Black owned businesses having access to white wealth is a form of integration that does not undermine the community. If he was really a compromised tool they wouldn't have had to edit his philosophy. That had to piece together a version of him they wanted to present. If he was really a tool as you say everytime he got on camera or publiclyy spoke he would've just towed the line. He fought for reparations to put us on solid footing to compete in this capitalistic society. MLK is not Keisha Lance Bottoms or Raphael Warnock. No one pulled MLK's coattail. If anything he pulled JFK's coattails which is why he also was assassinated. I feel your line of thinking completely discounts the context of the day. MLK wanted to empower his people and he was killed for it. As I said in previous posts if he was truly an opp he would still be alive today. Case and point, a lot of people thought Obama would be assassinated before his first term but over time we see that he was a tool for the establishment thus he is still alive today writing his books. All the true Revolutionaries put blood on the line for our people. That alone should be why we give our brorher grace in knowing that even though he couldn't accomplish all of his goals he was always acting in the best interest of his people. It's not fair for us to expect perfection from a human. His life was a net positive for our people not a negative. They can misconstrue all they want. Its on us to uphold the true legacy of a great Black American trailblazer.
AmeriKKKa just needs to #CutTheChecks and me and like minded blacks will self segregate w/ 10 foot wall around our property. There will be no buying of new cars.
long ago, Jason said something I agree with. He said (paraphrasing), "black people aim to be equal, white people aim to be dominant. And that's why we're losing."
MLK was aiming to be equal to the dominant society, not dominant.
MLK was aiming to be equal to the dominant society, not dominant.
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I would also add as far as strategy you have to fight in a particular manner when you are attacking from a weaker position. White supremacy has a lock on violence. There was no way for MLK to dominate the dominant society through violence so he had to use non violence as a tactic. That is not the same as saying he was complicit with the dominant society. He checked the dominant society on their hypocricy. Also we as a people utilized integration incorrectly. If we wouldn't have abandoned our infrastructure we would've been competing to put white dollars in black banks not the other way around. That does not fall at the feet of. MLK. He had to fight with the best tactics he had available at the time. MLK was not compromised just because he got close to the heart of the beast. As Jason Black stated in his last broadcast MLK was playing the long game with the dominant society and even in the end Malcolm X made peace with MLK.
And based on what came out of Elijah Muhammads leadership one could argue the nation of islam is an opp but that's another discussion.
I get the rules of engagement piece. I just said that in response to what I can respond to. That limits the debate. I know 6zeros is not on any censorship tip but telling me what I can or cannot respond to had me a little perturbed.
blackice_ATL. So because MLK wasnt advocating for a full government takeover he was compromised?? Sales makes on company dominant over another. Sales turn into revenue that can be used to empower your people. He was fighting for our right to be economically competitive. That is literally what reparations is designed to rectify. As I said over and over again how is it productive to our cause to say MLK was not an advocate for reparations. He literally said we are coming to get our check.
blackice_ATL. I see no matter what I say you will keep the same position. I will end with this. Its not helping to tear down the legacy of MLK. If you were saying ww should learn from his mistakes ok but to say he was compromised because he was not able to fullfill his vision for his people is not fair. Would you say Yashua was compromised because he told us to live peaceably with all men??? As a FBA black American or whatever classification you subscribe to I refuse to tarnish my ancestors history. He was the first minister for reparations and because of that he will always be a mastermind in my book. He showed us the path forward to which we are still fighting to this day. We will realize his dream of receiving our checks. Its only a matter of time.
Right. We don’t live on exclusive tribal land. We have to deal with non-Black Americans, but at this point there’s little strategic about it. First we must be on code ourselves; agree to pay more for a brother’s product instead always going for the Asian bargain. Why? Because he’s our brother. Even if you don’t like him personally, he’s one of ours. We don’t think like that, other ethnicities and races do.
During MLK’s time, everyone was either working for white folks or had to answer to them on some level; not being able to use the bathroom or eat in a decent environment was degrading and inhumane. Very psychologically damaging. It wasn’t about being with white folks, it was about being able to behave like a human being. That’s no small thing.
Now, we should segregate but we must have unity first and we don’t have that.
blackice_ATL. Read Powernomics. You have to control your economic outcome before you can control your political or even military outcome. Even the bible says you have to be able to handle a little before you can handle a lot.
Jay. Does changing the definiton of reparations fit into the logical fallacy of straw man. Reparations is not the same as controlling the entire country right.
Jay. Does changing the definiton of reparations fit into the logical fallacy of straw man. Reparations is not the same as controlling the entire country right.
blackice_ATL. I already have the land so I need the money to devlop and mechanize my land. If we could take over a county or establish a black owned county we would be able to better control our lives. In this country the system is so decentralized there is no way for us as a group to have total control over every aspect of our lives. We Have to resegregate and aggregate our resources in order to control our own city and state government. Uvalde had a population of 2000 people. New Mexico is filled with American born Mexicans. We have to be able to move and invest and build and govern as a group. Its on the people to make that hapoen not any one individual. MLK was not compromised just because you say so. Most of us from the soil would not make this claim toward the ancestors.
Wait you saying reparations is us receiving our own nation?
Are you saying powernomics is a strategy for staying in the plantation?? I just want to clarify before I respond
Are you saying powernomics is a strategy for staying in the plantation?? I just want to clarify before I respond
If I started a YouTube that yielded income from white people and I used all proceeds to further black only endeavors and business that's B1. Doesn't matter where the money comes from
blackice_ATL. Powernomics is a strategy for bulding a nation within a nation. Having the book is different than reading it in its entirety. You start small then expand. You start in a neigborhood and end up on the global stage. There are levels to this. You can't jump to level 100 from one. We have to build up our builders before we start talking about managing our own nation.
Powernokics got me off the plantation. Owning your own land is not a plantation.
blackice_ATL At a certain point what you are asking for only The Most High Can Give after the time of the Gentiles comes to an end but we have to make due until that day comes
blackice_ATL At a certain point what you are asking for only The Most High Can Give after the time of the Gentiles comes to an end but we have to make due until that day comes
"B1" means "BLACK FIRST." It is possible to be a part of ANYTHING, as long as you put the BEST INTEREST of "Black" people, FIRST! #B1 & שלום 🙏🏿
Jay. So since these rooms are heavily moderated is there a time when a debate can have a conclusion like debate class or is this an endless thing . At a certain point one can always say they disagree no matter how much material has been provided to say the contrary. Factually at that. Also earlier staff was quick to regulate me but is black ice immune from rule moderation because he is the originator of the thread??
MLK Jr said in speeches and interviews only a few months before his assassination about the march he planned for Washington DC (the Poor People's march) the summer of 1968. He was assassinated that April.
He is on camera saying "...we are coming to Washington to get our check"
How plain is that? Or did he mean something different?
He is on camera saying "...we are coming to Washington to get our check"
How plain is that? Or did he mean something different?
My understanding was he had two objectives. The Johnson administration had a program called the War on Poverty.
MLK Jr was supposedly playing 3D chess. This is debatable but this is what I've heard said about his plan. From the 1600s the rich whites who ran the country did a conquer and divide between the indentured whites and Blacks who all lived together and both participated in some early rebellions as one.
What MLK wanted to do was have poor whites buy into it by having programs for all poor.
In his speech he talked about what was given to poor whites via the Homestead Act and Blacks got nothing. So, this seems to indicate specific reparative economic justice to Blacks specifically. Further supported by him saying about to Harry Belafonte "I think I have led our people into a burning house" (regarding integration for the sake of integration). In his last speech the night before in Memphis, he mentions specifically to the people to support local black businesses and he names a few. MLK talked back integration and was telling black folks to buy black. He said 'We came to get our check right AFTER talking about how poor Europeans got free land and support. He meant Blacks. And was using poor whites to support it by giving them programs. Tying both together.
It has some merit when you look at everything he said at that time. But admittedly its debatable.
MLK Jr was supposedly playing 3D chess. This is debatable but this is what I've heard said about his plan. From the 1600s the rich whites who ran the country did a conquer and divide between the indentured whites and Blacks who all lived together and both participated in some early rebellions as one.
What MLK wanted to do was have poor whites buy into it by having programs for all poor.
In his speech he talked about what was given to poor whites via the Homestead Act and Blacks got nothing. So, this seems to indicate specific reparative economic justice to Blacks specifically. Further supported by him saying about to Harry Belafonte "I think I have led our people into a burning house" (regarding integration for the sake of integration). In his last speech the night before in Memphis, he mentions specifically to the people to support local black businesses and he names a few. MLK talked back integration and was telling black folks to buy black. He said 'We came to get our check right AFTER talking about how poor Europeans got free land and support. He meant Blacks. And was using poor whites to support it by giving them programs. Tying both together.
It has some merit when you look at everything he said at that time. But admittedly its debatable.
Anyway, as we know there isn't nearly enough Blacks in tech. That's an industry that is more recession proof than pretty much any other industry. Not totally but moreso than the job we are in en masse. That's where we can integrate, get work, learn what they learn, become management hire each other. Then start our own tech companies like the software company that advertises with Tariq.
You can take over whole industries doing that. The Koreans did that to us with hair care. They integrated with stores in black areas and selling to our women their own products.
Ethiopians have the Washington DC parking lot market on lock. They started small and helped each other.
In LA and in other urban areas, Indians own a lot of the small hotels in the hood. They finance each other. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-india-also-owns-40-percent-of-u-s-motels/
We could be owning segments of industries in the dominant society by acting as a team with a code. Do what others do, on the low, not show our ass, and take over quietly.
You can take over whole industries doing that. The Koreans did that to us with hair care. They integrated with stores in black areas and selling to our women their own products.
Ethiopians have the Washington DC parking lot market on lock. They started small and helped each other.
In LA and in other urban areas, Indians own a lot of the small hotels in the hood. They finance each other. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-india-also-owns-40-percent-of-u-s-motels/
We could be owning segments of industries in the dominant society by acting as a team with a code. Do what others do, on the low, not show our ass, and take over quietly.
We won't fully be free until our captivity comes to an end. In the mean time yes I live on my land and believe that until the day of our savior separation is the key. My land is not a plantation just because I pay property taxes. That was an extremely absurd and disingenuous argument to me.
I would say that you can because is it B1 to purposefully subject your children to perpetual hot war?
Look who we're dealing with, they've not met a war they didn't like. Daily life would have been black and white folks trading bullets (if we could get our hands on some guns) all the time, everywhere. Of course there were mistakes, but integration largely took 1 of the ways they were freely warring with us off the table. It was a necessary evil that was very much B1 imo.
On another point, it's doubtful other world powers wouldn't jump in at some point. I believe the world would look starkly different without the actions of MLK. It would probably make a really good movie/series.
Look who we're dealing with, they've not met a war they didn't like. Daily life would have been black and white folks trading bullets (if we could get our hands on some guns) all the time, everywhere. Of course there were mistakes, but integration largely took 1 of the ways they were freely warring with us off the table. It was a necessary evil that was very much B1 imo.
On another point, it's doubtful other world powers wouldn't jump in at some point. I believe the world would look starkly different without the actions of MLK. It would probably make a really good movie/series.
No. I think it's foolish to subject our children to such a traumatizing experience. They saw how vicious white people are and still sent their kids to "integrate" schools. I wouldn't do it. I don't see how that was B1.
when guns were dropped off in the hood during the crack era, we didn't use it to fight WS. Instead, we used it to oppress ourselves.
if a full out civil war broke out, other nations would step in for their own selfish reasons. The U.S. does it all the time in other nations.
MLK was a jooish pawn and was used to push their agenda. Maybe he changed his tone at the end of his life, but I'm not completely convinced because he was still cool with them.
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Like integration has EVER work for us from the moment other groups invaded or befriended us!
Too many of us are truly suckers for punishment. Like PBT repeatedly reminds us: 'there's no cure for STUPID. What have these other groups ever offered us that actually benefited us other than THEIR own benefit?
Integration is a sickness -like Stockholm syndrome 🙄
We need to get off of illusory alliances! Those who can't, we should dissociate from them
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