Good point!Some of us have been doing that. Blacks started going to Atlanta since the '90s because it was the 'new Black Mecca'. Before that it was Washington DC I heard. During WW2 and after southern blacks went to Chicago (and other northern cities) in droves when they heard so many Blacks were there.
Ghana has a few thousand Black Americans. I've heard numbers anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000.
Whenever I have heard this pressed though, its presented in lieu of anything else. Plus, not all of us can. Pookie and Ray Ray are in no shape financially, mentally to leave the hood. Basically, in my humble opinion, its advocating a 'brain drain' of blacks from the fight in America.
I have no issue with any one leaving if its the right move for them. But I wouldn't suggest it for us en masse. Plus, the ony ones who can leave are the best and brightest. It leaves the rest to the hands of white supremacy where they are. But that's me.
I used "favorable" as a euphemism for a due process democratically ruled and economically progressive nation.I don't one black run country that would welcoming of a 1000s of American blacks in droves. A few of us are almost always welcome but 1000s of us (and there almost 40 million FBAs in America) would change many black nations, especially the Caribbean where its just a few mil at most in the biggest english speaking islands. We won't be liked because 1. we wouldn't be going there broke. We'd middle class on arrival. 2. We don't go for bullshit. Corruption, bribes, etc, are part of the way of life in most of these black countries, especially African ones. No shade, there are plenty of non black countries where there is a high level of corruption and bribery (Thaialnd, Philippines, most of eastern Europe, South America). The government would be in fear of us there and we'd be targetted.
You are such a great poster and hit the nail on the head. We seem to fantasize about end states and understating the realities to get there. Life is not binary and we all have to play the cards we are dealt. We cannot have a thriving town if we can’t make a thriving grocery store. When we are truly ready as a community to take that next step we will see the signs. The community will be working together in the real world and conducting business. We won’t go from twitter conversation automatically to self sufficiency.Some of us have been doing that. Blacks started going to Atlanta since the '90s because it was the 'new Black Mecca'. Before that it was Washington DC I heard. During WW2 and after southern blacks went to Chicago (and other northern cities) in droves when they heard so many Blacks were there.
Ghana has a few thousand Black Americans. I've heard numbers anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000.
Whenever I have heard this pressed though, its presented in lieu of anything else. Plus, not all of us can. Pookie and Ray Ray are in no shape financially, mentally to leave the hood. Basically, in my humble opinion, its advocating a 'brain drain' of blacks from the fight in America.
I have no issue with any one leaving if its the right move for them. But I wouldn't suggest it for us en masse. Plus, the ony ones who can leave are the best and brightest. It leaves the rest to the hands of white supremacy where they are. But that's me.
What we could do as a collective is simply buy towns all over the country. Until reparations is paid and until restorative justice is done, we do as much as we can on our own. The beauty of it is we can plan it how we want it. Safe zones if you will all over the country. The state its in can only so so much. We control our own police, fire, etc, everything. Recreate our own mini black wall streets. We can make it private. We can keep out whomever we want. Our own schools, everything. How cool would that be?I feel like moving to a spot in a state where we have room to build up our own communities, businesses, etc. would be best. A place where people can afford to buy housing and land cheaply. Only a few states allow for this at this point like Wyoming and I don't think enough black folks are ready to move to a place like that and establish their own roots. It takes a lot of money, time, and a collective agreement. Plus, moving is hard! Imagine being used to living in a city and then packing and moving to the countryside, most people would be lost.
Someone will capital and knowledge would have to be the first to do it. Or someone would have to start funds. I know most states do have dead towns and areas where you can rebuild and reimagine the area. I would love to see that for black folks.What we could do as a collective is simply buy towns all over the country. Until reparations is paid and until restorative justice is done, we do as much as we can on our own. The beauty of it is we can plan it how we want it. Safe zones if you will all over the country. The state its in can only so so much. We control our own police, fire, etc, everything. Recreate our own mini black wall streets. We can make it private. We can keep out whomever we want. Our own schools, everything. How cool would that be?
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Of course. It would have to be planned and it should be kept as secret as possible. Word will get out eventually but as long as you can you do it on the low.Someone will capital and knowledge would have to be the first to do it. Or someone would have to start funds. I know most states do have dead towns and areas where you can rebuild and reimagine the area. I would love to see that for black folks.
What would really be amazing is to have a small area that is established but with a lot of land around it so there would be room to expand. Instead of making one giant city, focus on having smaller rural communities that connect to each other.Of course. It would have to be planned and it should be kept as secret as possible. Word will get out eventually but as long as you can you do it on the low.
There are planned communities and such all over America. The formula is already there. The vision of what you want it to be, answers to possible barriers and such anticipated as much as possible. I think its completely doable. Start on a small scale, work out the kinks and then do it other areas. Have all of them connected in terms of sister cities, exchanges, etc. Eventually form a network all over where if you are the citizen of one, you have access to all others.
So true. It takes time and preparation to get up and go. You have to be sure that what you are going to is better than what you are leaving. Coming to colorado originally came from wanting to use my degree to take care of my family. Then with dealing with white supremacy at the job to all the craziness covid brought about made my wife and I really want a change. We researched land power water and finally found a great plot of land. To the point about brain drain turns out in my ancestry searches I found I had family in my bloodline who got up and left their circumstances several times over.You are such a great poster and hit the nail on the head. We seem to fantasize about end states and understating the realities to get there. Life is not binary and we all have to play the cards we are dealt. We cannot have a thriving town if we can’t make a thriving grocery store. When we are truly ready as a community to take that next step we will see the signs. The community will be working together in the real world and conducting business. We won’t go from twitter conversation automatically to self sufficiency.
1st step is finding affordable land.What would really be amazing is to have a small area that is established but with a lot of land around it so there would be room to expand. Instead of making one giant city, focus on having smaller rural communities that connect to each other.
This is a very feasible and achievable plan. Have to be able to take care of the family before you can expand to taking care of others families. There are towns in this country of 2000 people or less. It can be done just takes time and perseverance.Of course. It would have to be planned and it should be kept as secret as possible. Word will get out eventually but as long as you can you do it on the low.
There are planned communities and such all over America. The formula is already there. The vision of what you want it to be, answers to possible barriers and such anticipated as much as possible. I think its completely doable. Start on a small scale, work out the kinks and then do it other areas. Have all of them connected in terms of sister cities, exchanges, etc. Eventually form a network all over where if you are the citizen of one, you have access to all others.
We like to rock the boat and that would piss them off the most. We’d be like “yo you just gonna let the tribal chief take all the water and food and smash y’all wives and let this Chinese dude take all the cobalt?”I don't one black run country that would welcoming of a 1000s of American blacks in droves. A few of us are almost always welcome but 1000s of us (and there almost 40 million FBAs in America) would change many black nations, especially the Caribbean where its just a few mil at most in the biggest english speaking islands. We won't be liked because 1. we wouldn't be going there broke. We'd middle class on arrival. 2. We don't go for bullshit. Corruption, bribes, etc, are part of the way of life in most of these black countries, especially African ones. No shade, there are plenty of non black countries where there is a high level of corruption and bribery (Thaialnd, Philippines, most of eastern Europe, South America). The government would be in fear of us there and we'd be targetted.
Jackpot!!! Like those 40 black families that bought over 100 or so acres someplace down south. Wall in their entire plot and a 1 way in and out with armed FBA guards 24/4. No pink or any other non black visitors allowed.I feel like moving to a spot in a state where we have room to build up our own communities, businesses, etc. would be best. A place where people can afford to buy housing and land cheaply. Only a few states allow for this at this point like Wyoming and I don't think enough black folks are ready to move to a place like that and establish their own roots. It takes a lot of money, time, and a collective agreement. Plus, moving is hard! Imagine being used to living in a city and then packing and moving to the countryside, most people would be lost.
My wife and I looked into moving outside of the country but everything you stated is why we chose not to. You will have to deal with hate and animosity no matter where you go. Hell even in the gambia there are those who will go out of their way to sabotage your progress.I used "favorable" as a euphemism for a due process democratically ruled and economically progressive nation.
That narrows the options.
Your other important point on the ecological effect of FBA's flooding a foreign nation should also include our own cultural Americana hubris that would be present with those wanting and thinking of extended familial sister and brotherhood.
THEN, AS A COROLLARY TO YOUR POINT OF WE BEING TARGETS, my own social perspective that short of a White Progressive Mother-Country Radicals controlling at least the east coast into NC, the Great Lakes States, maybe Kansas (in honor of Osawattame John Brown), CO-NM-AZ with the west coast: the USA would remain the main terroristic political and economic threat to any secularly, biosphere enlightened nation-WE crazies who believe in more than the trappings of economic affluence from our learned experience in this 'belly of the beast'!
So as much as a Wakanda-memed paradise is good escapist esteem ethos. What Cuba, especially and in particular, would be the attitude of our ex-patriot "home" antagonistic to subversive foreign policy to an off-shore nation of CNGAF-MFN's.
That's the mode right there. No outsiders welcome.Jackpot!!! Like those 40 black families that bought over 100 or so acres someplace down south. Wall in their entire plot and a 1 way in and out with armed FBA guards 24/4. No pink or any other non black visitors allowed.
Definitely against it. Until more African leaders begin to mimic the posture & stance of Malema, Paul KagameSome of us have been doing that. Blacks started going to Atlanta since the '90s because it was the 'new Black Mecca'. Before that it was Washington DC I heard. During WW2 and after southern blacks went to Chicago (and other northern cities) in droves when they heard so many Blacks were there.
Ghana has a few thousand Black Americans. I've heard numbers anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000.
Whenever I have heard this pressed though, its presented in lieu of anything else. Plus, not all of us can. Pookie and Ray Ray are in no shape financially, mentally to leave the hood. Basically, in my humble opinion, its advocating a 'brain drain' of blacks from the fight in America.
I have no issue with any one leaving if its the right move for them. But I wouldn't suggest it for us en masse. Plus, the ony ones who can leave are the best and brightest. It leaves the rest to the hands of white supremacy where they are. But that's me.
Some of us have been doing that. Blacks started going to Atlanta since the '90s because it was the 'new Black Mecca'. Before that it was Washington DC I heard. During WW2 and after southern blacks went to Chicago (and other northern cities) in droves when they heard so many Blacks were there.
Ghana has a few thousand Black Americans. I've heard numbers anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000.
Whenever I have heard this pressed though, its presented in lieu of anything else. Plus, not all of us can. Pookie and Ray Ray are in no shape financially, mentally to leave the hood. Basically, in my humble opinion, its advocating a 'brain drain' of blacks from the fight in America.
I have no issue with any one leaving if its the right move for them. But I wouldn't suggest it for us en masse. Plus, the ony ones who can leave are the best and brightest. It leaves the rest to the hands of white supremacy where they are. But that's me.
I see it as problematic especially if most leaders are not mimicking the posture & stance of Malema, Kagame, etc.Some of us have been doing that. Blacks started going to Atlanta since the '90s because it was the 'new Black Mecca'. Before that it was Washington DC I heard. During WW2 and after southern blacks went to Chicago (and other northern cities) in droves when they heard so many Blacks were there.
Ghana has a few thousand Black Americans. I've heard numbers anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000.
Whenever I have heard this pressed though, its presented in lieu of anything else. Plus, not all of us can. Pookie and Ray Ray are in no shape financially, mentally to leave the hood. Basically, in my humble opinion, its advocating a 'brain drain' of blacks from the fight in America.
I have no issue with any one leaving if its the right move for them. But I wouldn't suggest it for us en masse. Plus, the ony ones who can leave are the best and brightest. It leaves the rest to the hands of white supremacy where they are. But that's me.
Ghana has a few thousand Black Americans. I've heard numbers anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000.
Whenever I have heard this pressed though, its presented in lieu of anything else. Plus, not all of us can. Pookie and Ray Ray are in no shape financially, mentally to leave the hood. Basically, in my humble opinion, its advocating a 'brain drain' of blacks from the fight in America.
I have no issue with any one leaving if its the right move for them. But I wouldn't suggest it for us en masse. Plus, the ony ones who can leave are the best and brightest. It leaves the rest to the hands of white supremacy where they are. But that's me.
I would agree that suggesting all American blacks leave doesn't solve the issue of systemic white supremacy in America. However, I can see having some viable, successful communities in various places as a strategy to fight global white supremacy. A big component is economics. Having an economic pipeline in various parts of Africa and the Caribbean is useful but not en masse. Its how the Chinese, Indians, and Lebonese have been doing successfully for decades in various countries.Isn't that just running away from the fight -cowardly?!
Running away is only strategic, honourable, if it's a temporary retreat otherwise it's cowardly; leaving others to fight the fight and make sacrifices.
Africa is NOT its former fiercely independent self prior to relentless foreign invasions. It has been long void of credible patriotic leaders -much to our frustration.
Malaema and kagame are two candidates in whom many blacks put their trust but I'm not convinced of their black integrity to the people. They've learned to talk the talk but where are the works. Malaema was promoting the death vaccines; Kagame colluded with UK to do dodgy deal with its runaway UK asylum seekers.
I absolutely despair at our plight as a melanated group! Mother Africa has NEVER fallen over itself or felt remorseful enough to rescue enslaved, injured or entrapped diasporians anytime soon since forefathers sold us out to our oppressors for trinkets and shiny objects.
Centuries later but STILL trying to get my head around what our melanated forebears did to us to selfishly ingratiate themselves with material things! 🙄 Sad as phuc!
Did 'RCNAL' or 'Insane Optimist' post this?:Definitely against it. Until more African leaders begin to mimic the posture & stance of Malema, Paul Kagame
I see it as problematic especially if most leaders are not mimicking the posture & stance of Malema, Kagame, etc.
We are a people who have enjoyed, despite struggles & challenges, full democracy. While there are 20+ democracies in Africa, the 1 true democracy is Mauritius. Everything else is either a “Flawed” or Hybrid democracy. Even with the 2 aforementioned rather progressive leaders Malema’s South Africa is considered flawed & Kagame’s Rwanda isn’t even categorized as such. Ghana is considered Flawed & Kenya isn’t even mentioned in the list I looked upon.
I suppose in an ideal world, recipients of Reparations would be looked upon as “strangers, yet familiar people, bearing gifts. But then, because of financial & cultural extremes, were highly likely to endure some forms of the enmity that Jews endured in pre & Nazi era Germany. So what I see, simply as a layman, again in the most ideal circumstances, is an agreement for an acquisition of land from the bordering nations of Chad, Algeria, Libya, & Niger. So you form an entirely new nation from within the borders of those nations. The US takes a cut, percentage of the Reparations payments , or “foots” the bill for this land mass, and “ideally” those African leaders pay those persons in the areas directly affected & show & reflect in their respective infrastructures the benefits of such sales of land. Good luck with getting the African Leaders to share those spoils. That might be attractive to all parties, nations, etc.
Finally even a disparate number of a 100,000 Blk Americans settling, roaming about, in separate countries yet interacting with Africans under any other circumstance is at the least an inconvenient threat to the common, everyday African and most definitely a threat to whatever political & social “balance” the continent willingly suffers at the present moment. The current disorder is beneficial across the continent to those in power & we would be a direct threat in significant numbers; 100k & above.
Some of us have been doing that. Blacks started going to Atlanta since the '90s because it was the 'new Black Mecca'. Before that it was Washington DC I heard. During WW2 and after southern blacks went to Chicago (and other northern cities) in droves when they heard so many Blacks were there.
I've mentioned the treatment of Cuba as a so-called terrorist State, not even mentioning the economic and political debauchery that's been done to Haiti!I would agree that suggesting all American blacks leave doesn't solve the issue of systemic white supremacy in America. However, I can see having some viable, successful communities in various places as a strategy to fight global white supremacy. A big component is economics. Having an economic pipeline in various parts of Africa and the Caribbean is useful but not en masse. Its how the Chinese, Indians, and Lebonese have been doing successfully for decades in various countries.
Also, you can't run away from white supremacy. Even if all blacks in America were to leave and go to various black countries it would solve nothing. I guarantee you 100 percent, white people, especially American whites will never, ever, ever, ever leave anu successful black people, especially black Americans alone. No way whatsoever. I'm also including the European nations, but America especially. They target black countries now. There are various things America and Europe do to stunt the growth of Africa. For example, America forces literally forces through economic extortion, for various African countries to accept used clothing. It kills the local textile industry. America 'dump's tons and tons of used clothing into these countries for re-sale. Its why you will see videos in the news of kids in squalor conditions wearing a Penn State t shirt.
White people will never, ever let Blacks live independent successfully without them. They deem that a threat to them. Yes, as crazy as it is, but that's how their brains are wired. When I hear white nationalists say 'Lets split up America and you have one part and we have this part' It will never, ever work for a few reasons. They would 100 percent try to sabotage the black areas overtly and covertly. And when we are successful will try to initiate some sort of conflict. I've had this discussion with white nationalists and they get stuck and do the ...er...ah...hmmm...thing when I say 'Okay, what percentage of the 1000s of ICBM nuclear missiles, stealth planes, etc, do we get?' It gets them EVERY time. There is zero way they would live next to a nuclear power black state. None.
You're correct in your analysises of these recessive critters. They've had centuries since leaving the caves to fathom out the necessities for their genetic survival - grotesque as it is!I would agree that suggesting all American blacks leave doesn't solve the issue of systemic white supremacy in America. However, I can see having some viable, successful communities in various places as a strategy to fight global white supremacy. A big component is economics. Having an economic pipeline in various parts of Africa and the Caribbean is useful but not en masse. Its how the Chinese, Indians, and Lebonese have been doing successfully for decades in various countries.
Also, you can't run away from white supremacy. Even if all blacks in America were to leave and go to various black countries it would solve nothing. I guarantee you 100 percent, white people, especially American whites will never, ever, ever, ever leave anu successful black people, especially black Americans alone. No way whatsoever. I'm also including the European nations, but America especially. They target black countries now. There are various things America and Europe do to stunt the growth of Africa. For example, America forces literally forces through economic extortion, for various African countries to accept used clothing. It kills the local textile industry. America 'dump's tons and tons of used clothing into these countries for re-sale. Its why you will see videos in the news of kids in squalor conditions wearing a Penn State t shirt.
White people will never, ever let Blacks live independent successfully without them. They deem that a threat to them. Yes, as crazy as it is, but that's how their brains are wired. When I hear white nationalists say 'Lets split up America and you have one part and we have this part' It will never, ever work for a few reasons. They would 100 percent try to sabotage the black areas overtly and covertly. And when we are successful will try to initiate some sort of conflict. I've had this discussion with white nationalists and they get stuck and do the ...er...ah...hmmm...thing when I say 'Okay, what percentage of the 1000s of ICBM nuclear missiles, stealth planes, etc, do we get?' It gets them EVERY time. There is zero way they would live next to a nuclear power black state. None.
Not me.Did 'RCNAL' or 'Insane Optimist' post this?:
"So what I see, simply as a layman, again in the most ideal circumstances, is an agreement for an acquisition of land from the bordering nations of Chad, Algeria, Libya, & Niger"
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A truly provocative, but for the cynical foreign policy wonks in DC-State Department, 'Langely' (CIA), DOD a ploy to counter the Chinese presence on the African continent,
As one who was at Clark AB before MT.Pinatubo had its say, not even mentioning the U.S. presence in Guantanomo, I bet some mad hatter would help set up a deal with WE, the fodder-pawn setllers on a wide tract of the Sahel that's leased to the U.S. with we being its civilian population and contracted work force for the security presence for that vital crossroads passage way to all points in Africa.
If there are any persons who want to float this to the CIA, they wouldn't mind an expansion in their budget allocation to foot such a project, considering how they underwrote the mujadeen resistance to the Soviets in Afghanistan in the '80's. This time they'd be using a security economic presence as their justification.
I posted it. Didn’t mean to offend. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🔥Did 'RCNAL' or 'Insane Optimist' post this?:
"So what I see, simply as a layman, again in the most ideal circumstances, is an agreement for an acquisition of land from the bordering nations of Chad, Algeria, Libya, & Niger"
==========================================
A truly provocative, but for the cynical foreign policy wonks in DC-State Department, 'Langely' (CIA), DOD a ploy to counter the Chinese presence on the African continent,
As one who was at Clark AB before MT.Pinatubo had its say, not even mentioning the U.S. presence in Guantanomo, I bet some mad hatter would help set up a deal with WE, the fodder-pawn setllers on a wide tract of the Sahel that's leased to the U.S. with we being its civilian population and contracted work force for the security presence for that vital crossroads passage way to all points in Africa.
If there are any persons who want to float this to the CIA, they wouldn't mind an expansion in their budget allocation to foot such a project, considering how they underwrote the mujadeen resistance to the Soviets in Afghanistan in the '80's. This time they'd be using a security economic presence as their justification.
Nawww...I posted it. Didn’t mean to offend. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🔥
Wow‼️Putney Swope 🤣😂Thanks, I like that 1. Great Film. So I began frivolous musings about such things when I heard about the shallowness of the Right of Return put forth by Ghana. As I recall it, the benefits of Right of Return are extremely limited. So I allowed myself to consider the possibilities of Freedmen en masse as Reparations recipients, while attempting to relocate to any African country would perhaps enjoy a much more receptive response. A 100,000 to a Million freedmen, all recipients of Reparations is a positive for any country on the continent. Likely to enjoy far more benefits of citizenship rights, etc.Nawww...
I thought it was an 'out of the box' and highly likely 'truth is stranger than fiction', ala 'Putney Swope' of a 'Black Colony' on a U.S. leased territory in its world-wide imperial obsession as the "indispensable nation". How better for a major radical infrastructure plan for FBA's to have them as the primary residents and operative ambassadorial fronts of this base serving as 'The Sheriff' in the unregulated Sahel region near the Niger watershed.
That sounds like Brother Ben X. He got some Black people together & they purchased over 100 acres. I believe it was last year. Look it up on YouTube.Jackpot!!! Like those 40 black families that bought over 100 or so acres someplace down south. Wall in their entire plot and a 1 way in and out with armed FBA guards 24/4. No pink or any other non black visitors allowed.
Reparations for mega swaths of the Sahel with U.S. provided infrastructure, salaries if desired, and a relative mores stable market center for vendors and other financial hubs in and for Africa and connecting to the Eurasian and ex-Patriot Continent.Wow‼️Putney Swope 🤣😂Thanks, I like that 1. Great Film. So I began frivolous musings about such things when I heard about the shallowness of the Right of Return put forth by Ghana. As I recall it, the benefits of Right of Return are extremely limited. So I allowed myself to consider the possibilities of Freedmen en masse as Reparations recipients, while attempting to relocate to any African country would perhaps enjoy a much more receptive response. A 100,000 to a Million freedmen, all recipients of Reparations is a positive for any country on the continent. Likely to enjoy far more benefits of citizenship rights, etc.
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